The SA Politics Thread Part 3

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PrimeSteak said:
Until around 1977, when the UP basically imploded after merging with a group of NP moderates forming the New Republic Party.
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They were still quite racist. Even Suzmann who was considered progressive for a white South African at the time believed in a backwards voting system which would have not allowed most non-whites to vote.

This was the reason Tutu made his infamous "little girl" comments to her IIRC and Tutu was about the warm-hearted guy you can get.
 
JuliusSeizure said:
Even Suzmann who was considered progressive for a white South African at the time believed in a backwards voting system which would have not allowed most non-whites to vote.

This was the reason Tutu made his infamous "little girl" comments to her IIRC and Tutu was about the warm-hearted guy you can get.
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Elaborate?
 
R13... said:
Wow his Zulu is excellent.
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Fair enough, but also nothing to put him on a pedestal for. He is from KZN where the main language is Zulu.

How many native language IsiZulu speakers speak English fluently? We don't put them on a pedestal for it.
 
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JuliusSeizure said:
She believed in a qualified franchise so not a vote per person.

It's quite obvious that the people she believed should be voting did not make the most logical or rational voting choices.
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Are you referring to this?
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Helen Suzman - Wikipedia

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The party rejected race discrimination and advocated equal opportunities for all with a qualified franchise with a common voter's roll.
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JuliusSeizure said:
Fair enough, but also nothing to put him on a pedestal for. He is from KZN where the main language is Zulu.

How many native language IsiZulu speakers speak English fluently? We don't put them on a pedestal for it.
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It shows political savvy. Speaking to the people you rule over in their home language is one way you win them over. Also what it shows is that he's not the arrogant sort who won't learn the local language. Many KZN natives never bother to learn Zulu. I lived there for a few years and picked up a bit of the language and you'd find locals shouting at their employers in Zulu with the employer not having a clue of what the people are shouting.

I don't however remember him being put on a pedestal for his command of Zulu. You should keep an open mind, don't be blindly biased.
 
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JuliusSeizure said:
How many native language IsiZulu speakers speak English fluently? We don't put them on a pedestal for it.
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I get your point but he is not the norm so gets the praise. On mybb, it could be mainly due to tribal reasons of course. You don't see John speaking that fluently despite being brought up in KZN. Or may non-Zulu political guys for that matter.
 
R13... said:
It shows political savvy. Speaking to the people you govern in their home language is one way you win them over.
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Can second this.

One of the reasons why IMO GHL appears to be quite popular in CPT specifically is because he can speak Afrikaans quite well (although he speaks in an extremely formal newsreader-like way), which would especially endear him to the rural areas in WC if he decides to go for Premier one day.

The key to breaking through to people is speaking their home language. Although not everyone is good with languages and you can't learn all 11... Learning/Speaking at least one or two of the most popular languages in your province should help you a lot.
 
PrimeSteak said:
Are you referring to this?
en.wikipedia.org

Helen Suzman - Wikipedia

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She initially wanted a qualified franchise for black voters as she did not believe that they were on the same level of "development" as white people but these views would have changed over the years. It was the reason she never fully got respect from those in the anti-apartheid movement.

She also disagreed with the anti-apartheid movement on a number of things, such as the boycott of the SA economy and was against the isolation of Apartheid SA sports teams.

This book addresses these things.

Off course, her biggest supporters will quote Mandela on her but he was the type of guy that would hesitate to say negative things about anyone in his older days even some of his own former worst enemies. Most others from the anti-apartheid movements take very nuanced views on her. They credit her for pushing for reform in some ways but don't view her as being entirely against the old regime either.
 
JuliusSeizure said:
Except they did not. They rather realized they could not sustain it.

De Klerk also supported the framework behind it until his death, hence the controversy about him not apologizing circa 2017. It was the barbarism done by the National Party and abuses of human rights that he apologized for.
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BS.
 
surface said:
I get your point but he is not the norm so gets the praise. On mybb, it could be mainly due to tribal reasons of course. You don't see John speaking that fluently despite being brought up in KZN. Or may non-Zulu political guys for that matter.
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Malema is not Zulu nor was brought up in KZN but does speak the language IIRC.
 
JuliusSeizure said:
She believed in a qualified franchise so not a vote per person.

It's quite obvious that the people she believed should be voting did not make the most logical or rational voting choices.
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We need a qualified franchise. Many people are just too stupid to vote.
 
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