The SA Politics Thread Part 3

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PrimeSteak said:
It ain't. If that person wants to go to Parliament to serve their country (ideally), why can't they? Why must they be part of a party to do so? That's exactly the way of thinking that the ConCourt found unconstitutional in the Electoral Act.

The nice thing is, the people who voted that oke in, can hold them directly accountable. And don't have to hope that the party the oke would belong to would take action, even tho they might not ever (ref. ANC).

P.S The current system we have should've been replaced by 2004. It was meant to be temporary. But as usual, ANC did nothing... (Refer to Van Zyl Slabbert's report and the recent majority opinion from the committee).
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The current half arsed solution is also unconstitutional, it violates the principle of every vote counts. Excess votes that make up that seat being distributed among the other parties means that you'd be voting for somebody you didn't want to.

That seat needs to count proportionally. If there's a million votes and you get 100k, why shouldn't your say count 10%...
 
ToxicBunny said:
After 5 years they get told to fsck off at the ballot papers.

We have a long way to go to get to that point, but it is where the population have their "power"... if people start doing stupid shyte that is against their constituency they will only have a shelf life of 5 years.
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and then retire comfortably after 5 years of MP salary and cocktail food and catering.
 
JuliusSeizure said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1648993400518070272
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Good thread.
The problem is probably that parties don't want to be tied to policies before they see how much they bring to a coalition. If you bring more then you have more negotiating power so you wouldn't want to be forced to commit before you see how much weight you bring to the table.

It also doesn't seem that the parties in local coalition ever have such policy agreements in place. With the ANC it is easy, they probably just give you a portfolio and you can do with that as you wish whether you're murdering the goose or not.
 
R13... said:
Good thread.
The problem is probably that parties don't want to be tied to policies before they see how much they bring to a coalition. If you bring more then you have more negotiating power so you wouldn't want to be forced to commit before you see how much weight you bring to the table.

It also doesn't seem that the parties in local coalition ever have such policy agreements in place. With the ANC it is easy, they probably just give you a portfolio and you can do with that as you wish whether you're murdering the goose or not.
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Its a very interesting discussion and yes its something that does need to be ironed out.

I would assume that most of the parties that are potentially "Moonshot" members would have broad strokes policies that are largely in alignment, but the devil will always be in the detail.
 
R13... said:
I wouldn't get too excited.
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Don't worry I won't.
R13... said:
15+ years and they still don't know the numbers? We're so ****ed!
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Are you surprised tho?
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Seems the ANC are the only ones who don't appreciate the scale of the problem. /facepalm
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I reiterate my previous question. They don't understand the massive knock-on effect load shedding has on the economy and safety of SAns in general...
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The problem is that the ****ers are all stuck with heads still firmly lodged up rear orifices
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Typical GLM move.
 
I am disappointed that my glorious leader, Peter Marais, doesn't feature in the list.

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A poll by Social Research Foundation of approval among registered voters (March 2023):

- Cyril Ramaphosa 41%
- Jacob Zuma 27%

- Helen Zille 25%
- Julius Malema 24%
- Mmusi Maimane 23%
- John Steenhuisen 16%
- Herman Mashaba 14%

- Paul Mashatile 11%

but the winner is...
- Thabo Mbeki 53%
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Mike Hoxbig said:
I've asked that before.

Also things like foreign policy, especially in the case of an ANC/DA coalition where they're at odds with each other. If the DA doesn't agree the ANC would just do a coalition with the EFF where they agree on who their buddies should be. I don't think they've thought this through properly...
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If this does happen though, the DA will have to get a more clearer stance over Israel.

They usually issue vague responses to the issue. Their core electorate largely supports Israel but they also have a sizable chunk of Muslim support who they dont want to alienate either.

The ANC and EFF are far more clearer on them when it comes to this issue.
 
JuliusSeizure said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1648993400518070272
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Mike Hoxbig said:
I've asked that before.

Also things like foreign policy, especially in the case of an ANC/DA coalition where they're at odds with each other. If the DA doesn't agree the ANC would just do a coalition with the EFF where they agree on who their buddies should be. I don't think they've thought this through properly...
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R13... said:
Good thread.
The problem is probably that parties don't want to be tied to policies before they see how much they bring to a coalition. If you bring more then you have more negotiating power so you wouldn't want to be forced to commit before you see how much weight you bring to the table.

It also doesn't seem that the parties in local coalition ever have such policy agreements in place. With the ANC it is easy, they probably just give you a portfolio and you can do with that as you wish whether you're murdering the goose or not.
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ToxicBunny said:
Its a very interesting discussion and yes its something that does need to be ironed out.

I would assume that most of the parties that are potentially "Moonshot" members would have broad strokes policies that are largely in alignment, but the devil will always be in the detail.
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Ok, okes. The entire reason for the National Convention for Moonshot to be held in May/June the way I see it is for those who were invited and accepted invites to come and discuss, negotiate, and create policies. Naturally, at that convention, they'll have to determine a united policy proposal to offer voters and not just "NO DOOMSDAY :crying: ".

Similar to how the Turks got their own Moonshot Pact going for next month's elections to remove Erdogan and AKP, with policies and everything.

I think on things like the economy and foreign policy the okes are going to mostly agree on a "social market economy' model that DA is proposing and although the majority of Moonshot is pro-West, I think they'll opt for actual neutrality rather than ANC "neutrality". But yeah, things like redress, social stuff, etc might be the biggest contention at the negotiations. I'm looking forward to the convention to see what comes out of it.
 
JuliusSeizure said:
If this does happen though, the DA will have to get a more clearer stance over Israel.

They usually issue vague responses to the issue. Their core electorate largely supports Israel but they also have a sizable chunk of Muslim support who they dont want to alienate either.
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From what I gathered before, from interviews with Johnno anyway, it seems they have a more neutral stance aka "two-state solution" slant?
 
PrimeSteak said:
Ok, okes. The entire reason for the National Convention for Moonshot to be held in May/June the way I see it is for those who were invited and accepted invites to come and discuss, negotiate, and create policies. Naturally, at that convention, they'll have to determine a united policy proposal to offer voters and not just "NO DOOMSDAY :crying: ".

Similar to how the Turks got their own Moonshot Pact going for next month's elections to remove Erdogan and AKP, with policies and everything.

I think on things like the economy and foreign policy the okes are going to mostly agree on a "social market economy' model that DA is proposing and although the majority of Moonshot is pro-West, I think they'll opt for actual neutrality rather than ANC "neutrality". But yeah, things like redress, social stuff, etc might be the biggest contention at the negotiations. I'm looking forward to the convention to see what comes out of it.
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Yeah I tend to agree... on external policies and broad strokes policies like the economy, there will largely be agreement...

It is the nitty gritty detail policies like empowerment etc where things are likely to get rocky in the extreme..
 
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