The SA Politics Thread Part 3

[Sideshow Bob]

Phalatse resolute about lifting lid on ponzi scheme allegations against Gwamanda

Phalatse told Eyewitness News that the DA was assisting the victims of Gwamanda who have incriminating evidence regarding his alleged scam.

ewn.co.za

He is there due to Allah's will. Let us see if Phalatse's god wins this one or Allah.

Kabelo Gwamanda is the new mayor of Joburg, says his election is God's will | News24

Quoting a bible scripture, the newly elected mayor of Johannesburg, Kabelo Gwamanda, says his election is an act of God.

www.news24.com

 

[ToxicBunny]

Another Murunwa like scandal inbound...

I will honestly piss myself laughing if there is any substance to this, monumental own goal by the ANC/EFF if there is dirt in the closet that the DA can find in a few days that they couldn't

But I do love the attempt to say "But we asked everyone, and nobody had any objectons, not even the IEC".. No you dumbfscks, the onus is on you, not the public to make sure your representatives are not fscking dodgy AF

 

[R13...]

I will honestly piss myself laughing if there is any substance to this, monumental own goal by the ANC/EFF if there is dirt in the closet that the DA can find in a few days that they couldn't

It wouldn't disqualify him as a councillor even if it turns out to be true so they'll just ignore it and move on. As long as the PA doesn't ruffle feathers which they won't because they have probably been appeased.

 

[ToxicBunny]

It wouldn't disqualify him as a councillor even if it turns out to be true so they'll just ignore it and move on. As long as the PA doesn't ruffle feathers which they won't because they have probably been appeased.

Nah, it won't necessarily disqualify him or make any fundmental change, but its more the political points the opposition scores for exposing the behaviour... it won't change the voting patterns of core diehards but those who are starting to be on the fence will move further away from the ANC/EFF due to it.

 

[GrootVoet]

Busisiwe Mkhwebane wants the Constitutional Court to award her unlimited money for lawyers, urgently | News24

Days after the Public Protector's office said it had made an extra R4 million available for Busisiwe Mkhwebane's impeachment inquiry defence, she launched an urgent Constitutional Court bid for untrammelled state funding of her lawyers.

www.news24.com

Time we need to stop to these public officials milking the system.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

Busisiwe Mkhwebane wants the Constitutional Court to award her unlimited money for lawyers, urgently | News24

Days after the Public Protector's office said it had made an extra R4 million available for Busisiwe Mkhwebane's impeachment inquiry defence, she launched an urgent Constitutional Court bid for untrammelled state funding of her lawyers.

www.news24.com

Time we need to stop to these public officials milking the system.

This incompetent leech has cost us R30 million so far, excluding her salary.

After spending R30 million on lawyers for Mkhwebane, Public Protector operations 'stagnated' | News24

The R30 million the Office of the Public Protector spent on Busisiwe Mkhwebane’s defence against her impeachment meant that in the previous financial year, it couldn’t pay the legal costs orders against the office, some stemming from Mkhwebane’s disastrous litigation strategy.

www.news24.com

 

[R13...]

Nah, it won't necessarily disqualify him or make any fundmental change, but its more the political points the opposition scores for exposing the behaviour... it won't change the voting patterns of core diehards but those who are starting to be on the fence will move further away from the ANC/EFF due to it.

The opposition in GP are doing poorly and I fear there's a good chance the ANC will recover some of their lost vote share next year. Lesufi is full steam ahead "buying" votes with his various jobs schemes using public funds. This sort of thing just doesn't resonate with the average voter, their problems are different and if there is appearance of those problems being addressed then they'll gravitate toward whomever is providing "solutions".

 

[Agent67]

I will honestly piss myself laughing if there is any substance to this, monumental own goal by the ANC/EFF if there is dirt in the closet that the DA can find in a few days that they couldn't

But I do love the attempt to say "But we asked everyone, and nobody had any objectons, not even the IEC".. No you dumbfscks, the onus is on you, not the public to make sure your representatives are not fscking dodgy AF

But if DA/Moonshot opens a case at SAPS and it goes to trial, he'll lose his seat in Council?

But then again typical Doomsday: From insolvent okes forging documents, to complete dunces, to scammers. Truly representative...

 

[Vrotappel]

Budget comparison confirms Cape Town delivers the most for the poor while offering ratepayers value for money

Comparing the newly tabled budgets of all of SA’s metros reveals Cape Town manages to out-spend the other big cities on pro-poor support

www.dailymaverick.co.za

One of the most common narratives I hear repeated about Cape Town – and by extension the party that governs in Cape Town – is that the city only looks after some (read affluent) communities and doesn’t do enough for the poor. Variations of this narrative are often trotted out without any substantiation, as though it were self-evidently true.


But is it?


The newly tabled budgets of all of South Africa’s metros gives us a chance to compare and contrast in detail what the cities are doing for poorer residents.


A detailed comparison of city budgets is useful in cutting through the noise, because budget allocations are not subjective opinions. They are facts, expressed in rands and cents, and these facts clearly set out a government’s priorities and vision.

Cape Town has tabled a record R10.9-billion budget for infrastructure investment. This is our biggest ever, by some distance, and even outstrips our capex spend in the 2010 World Cup year.

Consider that a full 40% of households in Cape Town receive water and sanitation services free of charge. In Gauteng that number is 29%, according to the Stats SA non-financial census of municipalities.

 

[TheChamp]

But if DA/Moonshot opens a case at SAPS and it goes to trial, he'll lose his seat in Council?

But then again typical Doomsday: From insolvent okes forging documents, to complete dunces, to scammers. Truly representative...

Nora Grose did not lose her council seat, so I don't think that will happen here even if he is charged.

This will mostly be a political thing, there will be nothing legally forcing him to vacate his council seat or the mayorship unless he us found guilty.

If it ever comes to the point that he is charged he will be forced to resign by the ANC/EFF coalition.

 

[GrootVoet]

Budget comparison confirms Cape Town delivers the most for the poor while offering ratepayers value for money

Comparing the newly tabled budgets of all of SA’s metros reveals Cape Town manages to out-spend the other big cities on pro-poor support

www.dailymaverick.co.za

One of the most common narratives I hear repeated about Cape Town – and by extension the party that governs in Cape Town – is that the city only looks after some (read affluent) communities and doesn’t do enough for the poor. Variations of this narrative are often trotted out without any substantiation, as though it were self-evidently true.


But is it?


The newly tabled budgets of all of South Africa’s metros gives us a chance to compare and contrast in detail what the cities are doing for poorer residents.


A detailed comparison of city budgets is useful in cutting through the noise, because budget allocations are not subjective opinions. They are facts, expressed in rands and cents, and these facts clearly set out a government’s priorities and vision.

Cape Town has tabled a record R10.9-billion budget for infrastructure investment. This is our biggest ever, by some distance, and even outstrips our capex spend in the 2010 World Cup year.

Consider that a full 40% of households in Cape Town receive water and sanitation services free of charge. In Gauteng that number is 29%, according to the Stats SA non-financial census of municipalities.

Kudos to GHL.

 

[ToxicBunny]

But if DA/Moonshot opens a case at SAPS and it goes to trial, he'll lose his seat in Council?

But then again typical Doomsday: From insolvent okes forging documents, to complete dunces, to scammers. Truly representative...

So only if he is convicted would he lose his seat in Council, and in many ways rightfully so...

The political fall out on the other hand could be very funny to watch.

 

[TheChamp]

Budget comparison confirms Cape Town delivers the most for the poor while offering ratepayers value for money

Comparing the newly tabled budgets of all of SA’s metros reveals Cape Town manages to out-spend the other big cities on pro-poor support

www.dailymaverick.co.za

One of the most common narratives I hear repeated about Cape Town – and by extension the party that governs in Cape Town – is that the city only looks after some (read affluent) communities and doesn’t do enough for the poor. Variations of this narrative are often trotted out without any substantiation, as though it were self-evidently true.


But is it?


The newly tabled budgets of all of South Africa’s metros gives us a chance to compare and contrast in detail what the cities are doing for poorer residents.


A detailed comparison of city budgets is useful in cutting through the noise, because budget allocations are not subjective opinions. They are facts, expressed in rands and cents, and these facts clearly set out a government’s priorities and vision.

Cape Town has tabled a record R10.9-billion budget for infrastructure investment. This is our biggest ever, by some distance, and even outstrips our capex spend in the 2010 World Cup year.

Consider that a full 40% of households in Cape Town receive water and sanitation services free of charge. In Gauteng that number is 29%, according to the Stats SA non-financial census of municipalities.

Talking impressive budgets is one thing, the poor residents of the city actually getting the services that are reflective of the budget is another, last time I checked Khayelitsha and the other townships were a typical mess we have come to expect from such places.

Example

R4.6 Million Bridge connecting 2 Khayelitsha Communities is starting to Crumble

Source: https://www.iol.co.za/capetimes/news/r46m-bridge-connecting-2-khayelitsha-communities-is-starting-to-crumble-065556de-a59f-4b75-b5ee-e69a0f9680a8 Extract: CAPE TOWN - Only two months after the City handed over a new R4.6 million bridge connecting two Khayelitsha communities, it will...

mybroadband.co.za

If you just looked at the budget in isolation you can present a very good picture, but one that is not reflective of the situation on the ground.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Talking impressive budgets is one thing, the poor residents of the city actually getting the services that are reflective of the budget is another, last time I checked Khayelitsha and the other townships were a typical mess we have come to expect from such places.

Example

R4.6 Million Bridge connecting 2 Khayelitsha Communities is starting to Crumble

Source: https://www.iol.co.za/capetimes/news/r46m-bridge-connecting-2-khayelitsha-communities-is-starting-to-crumble-065556de-a59f-4b75-b5ee-e69a0f9680a8 Extract: CAPE TOWN - Only two months after the City handed over a new R4.6 million bridge connecting two Khayelitsha communities, it will...

mybroadband.co.za

If you just looked at the budget in isolation you can present a very good picture, but one that is not reflective of the situation on the ground, most of the money could be disappearing into the pockets of tenderpreneurs for all we know.

And what does the picture look like on the ground in eThekwini and JHB?

 

[TheChamp]

And what does the picture look like on the ground in eThekwini and JHB?

The poor areas in all the metros are the same, contrary to Cape Town spending more money, there is simply nothing that reflects the extra spending.

Diepsloot and Khayelitsha are one and the same.

 

[ToxicBunny]

The poor areas in all the metros are the same, contrary to Cape Town spending more money, there is simply nothing that reflects the extra spending.

Diepsloot and Khayelitsha are one and the same.

I'd agree that in broad strokes, and unfortunately I have no experience of JHB poor areas, but eThekwini I do... and as poorly managed as Khayelitsha may be, its still a much better place to live than any poor area in eThekwini.

 

[wingnut771]

 

[TheChamp]

Yeah, I am really not impressed by budgets, no one should be. What Cape Town must do if they want to claim the moral high ground is to present cold hard facts of service delivery on the ground that are not disputable, I would also not be impressed if Joburg told me there is so much budget for townships because some of those monies end up being sent back unspent.

https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/western-cape/city-of-cape-town-bids-to-roll-over-r117m-of-unspent-r178m-grant-33584397

 

[Vrotappel]

Talking impressive budgets is one thing, the poor residents of the city actually getting the services that are reflective of the budget is another, last time I checked Khayelitsha and the other townships were a typical mess we have come to expect from such places.

Example

R4.6 Million Bridge connecting 2 Khayelitsha Communities is starting to Crumble

Source: https://www.iol.co.za/capetimes/news/r46m-bridge-connecting-2-khayelitsha-communities-is-starting-to-crumble-065556de-a59f-4b75-b5ee-e69a0f9680a8 Extract: CAPE TOWN - Only two months after the City handed over a new R4.6 million bridge connecting two Khayelitsha communities, it will...

mybroadband.co.za

If you just looked at the budget in isolation you can present a very good picture, but one that is not reflective of the situation on the ground.

As a start the spending on infrastructure will benefit all. Will create jobs and improve services for all.

 

[GrootVoet]

Talking impressive budgets is one thing, the poor residents of the city actually getting the services that are reflective of the budget is another, last time I checked Khayelitsha and the other townships were a typical mess we have come to expect from such places.

Example

R4.6 Million Bridge connecting 2 Khayelitsha Communities is starting to Crumble

Source: https://www.iol.co.za/capetimes/news/r46m-bridge-connecting-2-khayelitsha-communities-is-starting-to-crumble-065556de-a59f-4b75-b5ee-e69a0f9680a8 Extract: CAPE TOWN - Only two months after the City handed over a new R4.6 million bridge connecting two Khayelitsha communities, it will...

mybroadband.co.za

If you just looked at the budget in isolation you can present a very good picture, but one that is not reflective of the situation on the ground.

In some areas you can spend as much as I you like but the place will always look like a mess because the people living in that area has no respect for what has been given to them for free.

The same mindsets that makes communities burn down schools, libraries, busses and other infrastructure that is mend to better their lives.