The SA Politics Thread Part 6

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NarrowBandFtw said:
precisely, though the bit you seem to gloss over is all those EFF racists are still in parliament ...
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True, will be interesting to see how differently they deal with him. If they kick him out it's only fair they do the same to all the eff racists. Every single one. Won't happen though, we all know it.
 
PrimeSteak said:
Yeah, if even Gogo is saying, if its real, he's done... He's ****ed.

Like I said, DA won't compromise their strategy or the GNU, for Renaldo.

I think if they throw him out of Parly, he might leave DA entirely.
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Was he always big in the DA? I feel like he only became big there in the last year or so.
 
wbot said:
True, will be interesting to see how differently they deal with him. If they kick him out it's only fair they do the same to all the eff racists. Every single one. Won't happen though, we all know it.
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By "they" you're meaning parliament or the DA themselves?
 
wbot said:
True, will be interesting to see how differently they deal with him. If they kick him out it's only fair they do the same to all the eff racists. Every single one. Won't happen though, we all know it.
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and that's the real problem, and ironically also Renaldo's point in this video

tbh I don't particularly care if he's thrown out or not, I care a whole lot more about that standard being applied equally to all citizens

either everyone gets to have free speech, or nobody does, the former is better than the latter, but both are better than selective free speech being a privilege only for certain groups
 
CTBP said:
Who's emotional? I asked you a simple question.
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You are, because in your reply you assume all EFF supporters to have the intelligence of garden chairs which you conveniently follow up with a LOL.

Now, personally, I don't care but if Renaldo in his current situation had said something along those lines there would be some out there that are going to say: "Ah see, they think we're all stupid."

When you're in office you cannot have these things, even if it was said 20 years ago.
 
wbot said:
People now making excuses for Renaldo and saying **** like "out of context". That's exactly what Malema and SAHRC say about Shoot the Boer.

You guys defending Renaldo are exactly the same hypocrites as the eff and hrc.
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Disagree. And I'm not defending Renaldo per se, I'm defending against hypocrisy - doesn't matter who's the recipient of it.

Firstly, "Boer" as far as I'm aware is used as derogatory in the context of that song and also in the discourse of the racists today. Like saying "White" or "Black" with a disgusted tone or deliberate enemy image.
Secondly, shoot the "collective" is never acceptable. Not back then, not today. Since Boer children exist and existed. Shoot the oppressor is more acceptable, not shoot the Boer. There should be no room for identity politics in a democracy.
Thirdly, it is insensitive to those who would take it literally and insensitive to those who may have been attacked/murdered for their identity.

Now if there's an interpretation issue on the above, such that "Boer" does not mean the collective, many do not seem to care for clarifying that.

Where I would argue that Renaldo may be crossing a line is using the K word even as hyperbole or under context. But then this isn't racist, it's offensive (even in the context perhaps unnecessarily so). That's a different thing. I've never once had a need to utter that word, it doesn't even cross my mind. Yeah some could argue offense is taken not given, but still it's a bit crass and low class IMO.
 
ToxicBunny said:
For his sake I do hope he has a backup career.. because if the DA do throw him out it is very unlikely any party will touch him for a good long while.
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He will probably be accommodated as a councillor again, I doubt he will be thrown out of the party completely.
 
TheChamp said:
He will probably be accommodated as a councillor again, I doubt he will be thrown out of the party completely.
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Possibly, but there is also the likelihood that the DA will have to eject him completely, because if they just shuffle the deck of cards and make him a councilor again the rabid crew will just keep coming at them.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Possibly, but there is also the likelihood that the DA will have to eject him completely, because if they just shuffle the deck of cards and make him a councilor again the rabid crew will just keep coming at them.
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It'd be stupid to keep him. The video has made him more toxic than a Ukrainian reactor.
 
Vorastra said:
It'd be stupid to keep him. The video has made him more toxic than a Ukrainian reactor.
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TheChamp said:
It does look like he is well loved on MyBb and elsewhere, maybe there is some space for a radical white party, the MK or EFF of white people if you will.
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Conservative Party 2? Is he gonna get Treurnicht as Deputy Leader? Although I don't think he's available at the moment...
 
ToxicBunny said:
Possibly, but there is also the likelihood that the DA will have to eject him completely, because if they just shuffle the deck of cards and make him a councilor again the rabid crew will just keep coming at them.
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Probably remove him as an MP and suspend him from party activities, lay low for a while and when it has died down, depending on how he behaves they will then make him a PR councillor and tell the public he is very remorseful and has suffered enough. Zille has successfully done that before with some Cape Town politician who lied about their qualifications.
 
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