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PrimeSteak said:
Not ****ing things from your portfolio up. I could ask you the same question tbh.

Have you seen his track record as Minister of Transport recently?
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It was a simple question which you should easily be able to answer since you are the one making claims, but it's okay if you can't.
 
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TheChamp said:
Before we die on hills, what metrics do you use to judge a Minister's performance? specifically Mbalula to arrive at the conclusion that he has made things worse?
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You have a point, completely dysfunctional is the only worse he could make. But I don't think he's having a bad week at all, just a usual week; spending about an hour a day showboating, the rest wining and dining, scheming how to thieve etc, normal ANC politico style.
 
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PrimeSteak said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499029187373453312

Ummm, shouldn't you be celebrating after the guy is cleared of the charges before you start celebrating him joining your party?
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Not sure who is celebrating but I just want to point out that it really doesn't matter if he is cleared of the charges or not, it looks like internal party politics.

Unless there are other charges I haven't heard about.
 
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In other news, after reading the thread on News24:
www.news24.com

WRAP | Bosasa directors Leshabane, Gumede must be prosecuted for 'corrupt' ANC 'war room' deal | News24

The third part of Acting Chief Justice Raymond Zondo's report into allegations of state capture was released on Tuesday. Follow News24 for the latest news, opinion and analysis.
www.news24.com www.news24.com

Seems like Zuma, Agrizzi, Nomvula Mokonyane and many others at Bosasa, ANC and even the NPA are gonna get nailed going by part 3 of the report's conclusions...
In short: "Overall, the evidence shows that Mr Zuma, at least one member of his National Executive, public officials and the Chairperson of an SOE breached the Constitution, legislation and ethical codes by facilitating the unlawful award of tenders by SOEs and organs of state to benefit, the Watson family, Bosasa and its associated entities, the recipients of monetary and other illicit benefits in return for the facilitation, and the families of the recipients, particularly where family members were directly provided with benefits, as in the case of Mr Mti, Mr Gillingham, Mr Smith and Ms Mokonyane."
- Qaanitah Hunter
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Zondo makes a strong recommendation against Parliament house chairperson and ANC MP, Cedrick Frolick, who is alleged to have accepted cash payments in exchange for his facilitating a meeting between Bosasa and former ANC MP, Vincent Smith.

Smith and former Bosasa boss Angelo Agrizzi are already facing criminal charges in respect of corruption around Bosasa - Smith, as then chairperson of the correctional services portfolio commitee - went 'soft' on Bosasa and its contracts with the department, allegedly in exchange for millions of rands in bribes.

Frolick, Zondo says, must be subjected to further investigation for possible corruption.
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Even Ramaphosa's son could get memed on:
In respect of Andile Ramaphosa, President Cyril Ramaphosa's son, Zondo also declines to make any findings because Agrizzi never implicated him in wrongdoing before the Commission.

News24's own reporting on the issue has found, however, that within the broader Bosasa modus operandi, especially in terms of securing influence, Andile Ramaphosa was a prime target for Bosasa to secure.

We reported how Ramaphosa attempted to come clean on his dealings with Bosasa, but he had netted an estimated R1.3m more than the R2m he had claimed. We also showed that Bosasa started paying money to his company, Blue Crane, two months before they had signed a contract.
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As well as the deputy minister of defence:
Zondo makes a recommendation that Thabang Makwetla the deputy minister of defence and military veterans be investigated for possible corruption in accepting the installation of a security system at his home by Bosasa.
Makwetla paid Bosasa R25 000 for the security system, well below the quoted R90 000, and only after the existence of the system had been made public - by News24.
- Kyle Cowan
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Helen Zille’s ‘levers and fulcrums’ strategy for 2024

It’s Helen Zille‘s belief that come 2024, the ANC will be pushed below 50% of the vote, necessitating the genesis of coalition politics at a national level. Who partners with the ANC is the question. It is also undoubtedly one of the greatest concerns for those interested and invested in the future of South Africa.

Speaking at the BizNews Conference in the Drakensberg, the federal chairperson of the DA told delegates that trying to present a talk on where South Africa is going politically in a 20-minute engagement is “a hell of a tall order”. But, being concerned with consulting the political tea leaves is a must for anyone making decisions and taking risks upon which, much is at stake.

“I don’t have a crystal ball but my job in politics is to spot trends,” says Zille.
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PrimeSteak said:
Ok, let's say ANC falls just below 50% and they have to form a coalition to save themselves:

If Rama is ANC leader: ANC will most likely pursue DA and/or ActionSA for a coalition
If any of the RET is ANC leader: ANC will most likely pursue EFF for a coalition
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I have said this before and I will say it again, National politics is a completely different kettle of fish compared to local government politics, the ANC has very little in common with the DA, whether it's led by Ramaphosa or someone else, the policies remain the same.

They will most likely form an alliance with the EFF or a combination of smaller parties. I see them forming an alliance with the IFP before they form one with ActionSA.
 
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