The Sandy Hook Elementary School Shootings

[RanzB]

Let me get this straight:

Are you defending the 9.01 number?

globalization doesn't mean a single world government in any case, it will only imply that a borderless society is pointless. We have more states now than we had at the beginning of the last century. If anything self rule and self control is a more important phenomenon. That is self rule without isolationism.

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[w1z4rd]

Can I ask you a question Ghoti, do you support globalisation, the idea of a single world government, single currency and a government that has absolute control over every aspect of your life ?

Rational:
Of course I support globalization. I want to work and play wherever I want in the world.


Irrational conspiracy responses:

I doubt it will be a single government.
It certainly wont be a single currency.
I doubt it will try control every aspect of my life.

Rule number 1. Dont get your political advice from conspiracy threads

 

[AlmightyBender]

yes, but that doesn't mean that his research is corrupted automatically.

It would make sense for the NRA to fund research such as this, whether they would have used it, had its results provided the contrary is another question.

No not automatically, but definately with a very very high probability.

 

[RanzB]

No not automatically, but definately with a very very high probability.

Apparently Nicodeamus isn't as big a fan of empirical evidence as he would have us believe.

 

[w1z4rd]

Apparently Nicodeamus isn't as big a fan of empirical evidence as he would have us believe.

He is a supporter of Austrian school of economics (They hate empirical data). For one of them he is actually progressive and he often will accept empirical data. As long as its nothing that challenges his libertarian perspectives.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Let me get this straight:

Are you defending the 9.01 number?

it does seem that you are correct, it number was 0.901 and it was a decimal error. Whether or not it was deliberate is up for debate. However it does discredit the study indeed.

 

[Nicodeamus]

He is a supporter of Austrian school of economics (They hate empirical data). For one of them he is actually progressive and he often will accept empirical data. As long as its nothing that challenges his libertarian perspectives.

jiss you need to stop lying.

 

[w1z4rd]

jiss you need to stop lying.

It was not intentional, perhaps you could clear where I went wrong? I am happy to be corrected. Could you also point out any previous lies of mine. As your sentence implies it I do it often.

Thanks.

 

[RanzB]

Luckily Harvard did a study not so long ago on gun censorship, people often only point out low crimes with gun regulation in western Europe countries, while they for some other reason (I'm guessing to deliberately distort facts) neglect Brazil and Russia or other countries with heavy regulation, in their statistics.

the arguments against gun ownership might be well and everything, however the empirical facts do not agree with them.

it does seem that you are correct, it number was 0.901 and it was a decimal error. Whether or not it was deliberate is up for debate. However it does discredit the study indeed.

Indeed. Weird how you condemn stats that you think are made up yet seem to be charitable in this case.

 

[Celine]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us/connecticut-school-shooting-first-responders/index.html?hpt=hp_c1


firefighters respond.

"And there's no more kids around to take home,"

this bought tears to my eyes i tell ya. can you just imagine waiting for your child and no more children come out the school. all the surviving children are already out and you wait and wait hoping and praying your child walks out.

 

[Greylor]

It was not intentional, perhaps you could clear where I went wrong? I am happy to be corrected. Could you also point out any previous lies of mine. As your sentence implies it I do it often.

Thanks.

He said to stop lying

 

[noxibox]

The problem I have is the fact that some people think it is perfectly normal for me or anyone else to go and buy a gun, and take it with me anywhere I like. Or to have it lying around at home where, if I had kids, my kids can find it. So then people will tell you, but no, you should lock it away in a safe place, or store it unloaded - which renders the whole point of having a gun for self-defense completely useless. Hence my previous statement. If you are not sleeping with it loaded under your pillow, then it aint gonna help you a lot when someone bursts into your room at night trying to shoot you.

And? Naturally one must be carrying a weapon to be able to use that weapon for protection. If it is a gun it must be loaded.

That someone could hurt themselves or someone else with a gun is neither here nor there. I have numerous power tools and other dangerous items in my home. Should I not own a rotary tool because my child might decide to experiment with brain surgery on his friend?

There should be no need at all for a normal citizen to have to own a gun for safety. If you feel you have to, then the police are not doing enough to look after your safety, and the government is failing against crime.

Firstly the police cannot be everywhere, secondly it's a common misconception that the police exist to protect us. They're there to enforce whatever laws the government may pass, even evil ones that hurt individuals or society.

There are other ways of ensuring your safety, such as alarms, burglar bars, or a simple slamlock gate in your passageway leading to the bedrooms.

None of those can ensure safety either.

I agree that banning guns will not remove the illegal fire-arms traded between criminals. But a lot of legally bought guns end up being stolen by criminals to become illegal firearms.

Then frankly the police shouldn't be armed.

A bomb may not be rocket science, but a gun sure as hell is a lot easier

It's not. And we're talking here about gun control somehow preventing these very rare school attacks. There have been ones where a bomb was used.

and you can aim at any target you like and you can get the satisfaction of a killing every time you shoot a next target.

Why assume a nice big fireball wouldn't be satisfying to the killer? Or using a nice kick-ass knife?

A bomb can still go wrong - not going off, going off at the wrong time or not doing enough damage/killing enough.

Same applies to a gun.

 

[Cool E]

Who in the right mind can kill innocent people?

 

[2026]

Who in the right mind can kill innocent people?

I don't think this guy was in the right mind.

 

[Nerfherder]

I don't think this guy was in the right mind.

Yep... was a compete nut job.

 

[Albereth]

Shooting at Connecticut school. 27 dead including 18 children

Oh jeez. Another one..

Today's paper has an article where 23 pupils were knifed in China on the same day as the shooting. Thankfully not fatal.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Today's paper has an article where 23 pupils were knifed in China on the same day as the shooting. Thankfully not fatal.

So what do you think the result would have been if the attacker had an assault rifle instead of a knife?

 

[w1z4rd]

 

[Fudzy]

Scary stats those, I wonder how they compare locally? Almost everyone I know(n) who's died in gun related crimes has either been a result of suicides or murder/suicides.

 

[Albereth]

Shooting at Connecticut school. 27 dead including 18 children

So what do you think the result would have been if the attacker had an assault rifle instead of a knife?

Horrific.