The Syrian Conflict Thread

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Unhappy438 said:
15 years sure, a few weeks with the air force alone, no ways. An air force is only as good as its spotters on the ground. USA has been bombing Syria for how long now? Watch things go a lot faster with all the extra special forces there.
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I doubt it, in Afghan the USA had the ground and the air to themselves (well them and the UK at first, other allies followed on) and it was all well integrated amd even then they never really controlled the country. They controlled the big towns and the Taliban controlled much of the area outside of that except where overwhelming numbers of troops and air support were used.

In Syria they are handicapped by many more large urban areas where the likes of IS hide amongst the civilian population, they don't have significant ground assets especially outside the Kurdish areas, they have the additional problem of a non cooperative national government (unlike Afghan) which is backed by another regional power (Iran) and a quasi superpower (Russia) mixed with other local groups, fundamentalists and terrorists.

Syria and Afghanistan are really different scenarios.
 
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Xarog said:
Lol?

The USA has been pretend bombing Syria for PR purposes while waiting for the various "rebels" (Read: foreign mercenaries) to depose Assad.

Because you know, it's much more important to protect the environment than it is to deprive ISIS of billions of dollars of oil revenue. /s
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Something something conspiracy.

My point remains, without targets an air force cant bomb. The special forces guys are there to provide those targets. We will talk again soon and the proof will be in the pudding.
 
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Dave123 said:
I doubt it, in Afghan the USA had the ground and the air to themselves (well them and the UK at first, other allies followed on) and it was all well integrated amd even then they never really controlled the country. They controlled the big towns and the Taliban controlled much of the area outside of that except where overwhelming numbers of troops and air support were used.

In Syria they are handicapped by many more large urban areas where the likes of IS hide amongst the civilian population, they don't have significant ground assets especially outside the Kurdish areas, they have the additional problem of a non cooperative national government (unlike Afghan) which is backed by another regional power (Iran) and a quasi superpower (Russia) mixed with other local groups, fundamentalists and terrorists.

Syria and Afghanistan are really different scenarios.
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So you don't think the recent Kurdish offensive will be a success? I disagree, i think they will take a nice big chunk of land from ISIS.
 
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Unhappy438 said:
So you don't think the recent Kurdish offensive will be a success? I disagree, i think they will take a nice big chunk of land from ISIS.
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Nope, I agree, the Kurds are a success story (but they have had special forces help for many months, including forward air controllers). They are one of the groups for whom something good might come out of this entire mess.
 
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Yeah, let's completely omit what the Russians have done so far. :rolleyes:
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Not sure what you're rambling on about. Regarding the effectiveness of the US special forces, i shall resume that with you in the future ;) . Im off to bed now though, good night.
 
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Unhappy438 said:
Not sure what you're rambling on about. Regarding the effectiveness of the US special forces, i shall resume that with you in the future ;) . Im off to bed now though, good night.
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Unhappy is unhappy :p, he only says good night to Xarog :(.
 
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Not sure what you're rambling on about. Regarding the effectiveness of the US special forces, i shall resume that with you in the future ;) . Im off to bed now though, good night.
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Well, given the fact that ISIS has taken to brutally mass executing fighters accused of desertion, I think it's safe to say that the majority of the heavy lifting has already been done.
 
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Death toll from Russian air strikes in Idlib climbs to 23

At least 23 people were killed in Russian air strikes overnight in the Syrian rebel-held city of Idlib, the heaviest bombardment there since a cessation of hostilities was agreed in February, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

The Observatory said the air strikes targeted a number of positions in the city, one of them next to a hospital. Seven children were among the dead, Observatory Director Rami Abdulrahman said. The toll was likely to rise.

Rescue workers in Idlib worked through the night searching for casualties, finding some survivors including a child under the rubble of destroyed buildings, the Civil Defense in Idlib said on its Facebook page.
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http://ewn.co.za/2016/05/31/Death-toll-from-Russian-air-strikes-in-Idlib-climbs-to-23
 
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Unhappy438 said:
Some videos of the aftermath, not sure it was a hospital that they hit but it was definitely residential areas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-PxfB3CiZw&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwKhGskaRiM&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1C7gfVxNgs&feature=youtu.be

Final death total of civilians is around 60.
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NGO's Photos "Proving" Alleged Russian Strike on Idlib Are 6 Months Old

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...eged-Russian-Strike-on-Idlib-Are-6-Months-Old
 
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Russian ground operation in Syria 'under discussion'

Kremlin insider tells Al Jazeera that Moscow is considering sending special forces to fight against Syrian rebel groups.

Russian President Vladimir Putin may deploy special operations forces on the ground in Syria, a former official has told Al Jazeera, a move that might be made to ensure "a decisive victory".

It has been more than eight months since Russia intervened in the Syrian conflict, and at the time Putin said there were no plans to participate in ground operations - but he also said "for now".

Putin is reportedly discussing with military commanders the possibility of deploying combat troops on the battlefield.

"This is under discussion, there are plans for this," Andrei Fyodorov, a former deputy minister for foreign affairs, told Al Jazeera.

The reinforcements could be special forces or volunteer soldiers who are willing to fight alongside the Syrian army and its allies.

"This is a delicate issue for our military. There are serious doubts that any participation by Russia on the ground would be favourable. [Rather it could] complicate the negotiation process and lead to further disagreements with the US," Fyodorov explained.
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/russian-ground-operation-syria-160602094724997.html
 
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Syria army enters Raqqa as Kurds advance from north

Syrian troops backed by Russian air support entered the ISIL-held Raqqa province on Saturday for the first time in almost two years as US -backed Kurdish-led fighters advanced from the north in a bid to trap the militants in a pincer movement.

The UK-based Syrian Observatory of Human Rights said the lightning advance from the south-west with Russian air support brought the army to within 40 kilometres of Tabqa, the town in the Euphrates valley which is the site of the country’s biggest dam and the Lake Assad reservoir, named after Hafez Assad, the late father of Syria’s president Bashar Al Assad. The assault was carried out by regular Syrian army troops reinforced by militia newly-trained by Russia, said Observatory director Rami Abdel Rahman. Kurdish-led forces also launched an offensive late last month targeting the dam, which lies 50 kilometres upstream of Raqqa, ISIL’s de facto capital in Syria.

He added that the twin offensives raise suspicions that in coordinating operations by their respective allies in Syria, Moscow and Washington are secretly working together. “It seems there has been an undeclared coordination between Washington and Moscow," he said.
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Full article: http://www.thenational.ae/world/middle-east/syria-army-enters-raqqa-as-kurds-advance-from-north
 
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Have to applaud Russia's tactics in Syria. Destroy terrorists, withdraw. Let the remaining terrorists all accumulate in one area and destroy them. Job Done
 
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Have to applaud Russia's tactics in Syria. Destroy terrorists, withdraw. Let the remaining terrorists all accumulate in one area and destroy them. Job Done
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I've heard of 'speaking in tongues' , but this is a first for 'typing in tongues'.
 
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