The Syrian Conflict Thread

Israeli Airstrikes Loom over US Diplomacy on Syria

Secretary of State John Kerry is making his case to Russian President Vladimir Putin for Russia to take a tougher stance on Syria at a time when Israel's weekend air strikes against the beleaguered Mideast nation have added an unpredictable factor to the talks.

Kerry arrived Tuesday in Moscow for talks with the most powerful ally of Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime.

Officials said Kerry hopes to change Moscow's thinking on Syria with two new angles: American threats to arm the Syrian rebels and evidence of chemical weapon attacks by the Assad regime.

Over the weekend, Israeli warplanes targeted what Israel claimed were caches of Iranian missiles bound for Hezbollah, the Lebanon-based terror group. Such weapons would allow Hezbollah to strike Tel Aviv and as far as southern Israel from inside Lebanese territory.

Israel's willingness to hit Syrian targets it sees as threats to its own existence has complicated the Obama administration's internal debate over what to do about Syria.

Israel's actions put Damascus and Moscow on notice that the U.S. and its allies may not wait for an international green light to become more actively engaged in the Syrian conflict. The administration said last week it was rethinking its opposition to arming the Syrian rebels or taking other aggressive steps to turn the tide of the two-year-old civil war toward the rebels.

At the same time, Israeli involvement in the war carries risks. Instead of prodding Russia into calling for Assad's ouster, it could bring greater Arab sympathy for Assad and prompt deeper involvement from Iran and Hezbollah, actors committed as much to preserving Assad as to fighting the Jewish state.

Although Israel hasn't officially acknowledged it carried out the airstrikes, Syrian officials on Monday were blaming Israel, calling them a "declaration of war" that would cause the Jewish state to "suffer."

Russia, alongside China, has blocked U.S.-led efforts three times at the United Nations to pressure Assad into stepping down.

U.S. officials are hoping Syria's behavior could shift Russia's stance.

"We have consistently, in our conversations with the Russians and others, pointed clearly to Assad's behavior as proof that further support for the regime is not in the interest of the Syrian people or in the interest of the countries that have in the past supported Assad," White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

U.S. officials said the administration doesn't believe the weekend activity will force President Barack Obama's hand, noting that the main U.S. concern is the use of chemical weapons by Assad, while Israel's top concern is conventional weapons falling into the hands of its enemies.

The chemical weapons argument is now under surprising attack, with former war crimes prosecutor Carla Del Ponte saying over the weekend she and fellow members of a four-member U.N. human rights panel have indications the nerve agent sarin was used by Syrian rebel forces, not by government forces.

That theory was rejected by U.S. officials. The State Department said the administration continues to believe that Syria's large chemical weapons stockpiles remain securely in the regime's control.

The Obama administration opened the door to new military options in Syria after declaring last week it strongly believed the Assad regime used chemical weapons in two attacks in March. Two days after that announcement, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said arming the Syrian rebels was a policy consideration.

Until now, U.S. efforts to bolster the rebels' fighting skills and gather intelligence on the groups operating inside Syria have been limited to small training camps in Jordan, according to two U.S. officials who weren't authorized to speak about secret activities and demanded anonymity.

There are several options for escalation, ranging from arming the rebels to targeted airstrikes and no-fly zones. However, arming the rebels is the most likely escalation, officials said.

While the Israeli actions have made Kerry's Russia efforts more unpredictable, some in Congress tried to be optimistic.

Maryland Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said he hopes Kerry can persuade Russia to use its influence to convince the besieged Syrian leader that he should step down.

"Hopefully the cooperation on the (Boston) Marathon bombing will open the door there," Ruppersberger said.

After visiting Moscow for the first time since he became secretary of state, Kerry will travel to Rome for talks with members of the new Italian government, as well as meetings with Israeli Justice Minister Tzipi Livni and Jordanian Foreign Minister Nasser Judeh to discuss Middle East peace prospects.

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Associated Press writer Matthew Lee contributed to this report.


Source : Sapa-AP /pk
Date : 07 May 2013 09:07
 
Syria threatens to hit back at Israel

Israeli air raids on Syria at the weekend killed at least 42 soldiers, a watchdog said Monday, fuelling international concern over a spillover of the conflict, as Damascus warned it would strike back.

UN human rights investigator Carla del Ponte, meanwhile, said that rebels had used the deadly nerve agent sarin in their fight to oust Syria's regime, although a commission of inquiry later said there was no conclusive proof and the United States said it was "highly sceptical".

"At least 42 soldiers were killed in the strikes, and another 100 who would usually be at the targeted sites remain unaccounted for," Syrian Observatory for Human Rights director Rami Abdel Rahman told AFP.

The strikes early on Sunday near Damascus were the Jewish state's second reported air raids on Syria in 48 hours. An early Friday raid had targeted a weapons storage facility at Damascus airport.

A senior Israeli source said the raids targeted Iranian weapons destined for the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah.

Iran and the Shiite group Hezbollah are steadfast allies of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime, and arch-foes of Israel.

A Syrian official in Damascus, reached by phone from Beirut, warned "Syria will respond to the Israeli aggression and will choose the moment to do so."

"It might not be immediate because Israel now is on high alert," he added. "We will wait but we will answer."

Two rockets fired from Syrian territory exploded inside the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights on Monday, without causing casualties or damage, an Israeli army spokeswoman said, suggesting it was a spillover from the conflict inside Syria. UN leader Ban warned against any escalation of a conflict that has killed more than 70,000 people in Syria since it erupted in March 2011.

"The secretary-general calls on all sides to exercise maximum calm and restraint, and to act with a sense of responsibility to prevent an escalation of what is already a devastating and highly dangerous conflict," his spokesman Martin Nesirky said.

The EU also said it feared recent developments "risk dragging the region into an expanding conflict."

Russian President Vladimir Putin held telephone talks with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over the Syrian conflict, the Kremlin said Monday.

Putin and Netanyahu discussed the "situation in the region and the situation around Syria," Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in a statement to Russian news agencies, without giving further details.

The foreign ministry in Russia, the most powerful ally of Assad's regime, had earlier expressed concern over the air strikes.

And China implicitly criticised the strikes as Netanyahu arrived in Shanghai, saying "we are opposed to the use of force and believe that the sovereignty of any country should be respected".

The Syrian regime's main regional ally Iran denied the weapons targeted were from the Islamic republic.

A diplomatic source in Beirut told AFP the sites were the Jamraya military facility, a nearby weapons depot and an anti-aircraft unit in Sabura, west of the capital.

UN human rights investigator Del Ponte, meanwhile, said there was evidence that Syrian rebels had used the deadly nerve agent sarin.

"According to the testimonies we have gathered, the rebels have used chemical weapons, making use of sarin gas," the former UN war crimes prosecutor said in a Swiss radio interview.

"We still have to deepen our investigation, verify and confirm (the findings) through new witness testimony, but according to what we have established so far, it is at the moment opponents of the regime who are using sarin gas," she said.

But UN investigators into rights abuses in Syria stressed Monday they had no conclusive proof that either side in the conflict has used chemical weapons.

"The Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Syrian Arab Republic wishes to clarify that it has not reached conclusive findings as to the use of chemical weapons in Syria by any parties to the conflict," the commission said.

And the White House said it was "highly sceptical of suggestions that the opposition could have or did use chemical weapons."

"We find it highly likely that any chemical weapon use that has taken place in Syria was done by the Assad regime. And that remains our position," White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

US President Barack Obama has said the use of chemical weapons in the conflict was a "red line" for his administration but also that he does not foresee US troops on the ground in Syria.

The Syrian opposition National Coalition, for its part, condemned any use of chemical weapons in the country's conflict and said only the regime had such capabilities.

On the diplomatic front, US Secretary of State John Kerry was Monday heading to Russia on his first visit since taking up the post, travelling with a diplomatic bag bulging with global problems including the war in Syria.

A top US Senate Democrat meanwhile introduced a bill that authorizes arming rebels in Syria, a step Washington has been weighing after Obama's "red line" comment.

Senator Robert Menendez, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, introduced the Syria Stabilization Act of 2013 that would give "increased authorization to provide lethal and non-lethal assistance to Syrian armed opposition."

The measure specifically bars the administration from transferring portable, shoulder-fired missile or grenade launchers known as MANPADS, amid concern that such weapons have been finding their way from places like Libya into the hands of extremists who might use them against US interests.

It also increases sanctions on arms and oil sales to Assad's regime, and authorizes a "transition fund" of some $250 million per year aimed at helping a civilian opposition in Syria prepare for a switch to some form of democratic rule.

The bill is likely to garner some bipartisan support, as a handful of Republicans including Senator John McCain have long said it was time to consider arming vetted opposition groups.


Source : Sapa-AFP /aw
Date : 07 May 2013 01:10
 
A top US Senate Democrat meanwhile introduced a bill that authorizes arming rebels in Syria, a step Washington has been weighing after Obama's "red line" comment.

Senator Robert Menendez, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, introduced the Syria Stabilization Act of 2013 that would give "increased authorization to provide lethal and non-lethal assistance to Syrian armed opposition."

The measure specifically bars the administration from transferring portable, shoulder-fired missile or grenade launchers known as MANPADS, amid concern that such weapons have been finding their way from places like Libya into the hands of extremists who might use them against US interests.

It also increases sanctions on arms and oil sales to Assad's regime, and authorizes a "transition fund" of some $250 million per year aimed at helping a civilian opposition in Syria prepare for a switch to some form of democratic rule.

The bill is likely to garner some bipartisan support, as a handful of Republicans including Senator John McCain have long said it was time to consider arming vetted opposition groups.

Just wow...how they stick their nose in other countries business & get away with it just amazes me....
Oh we decided we don't like you & we're going to back some terrorists to overthrow you.
Meanwhile everyone believes Assads the monster...this world is f**ed up
 
ANC Condemns Israeli Attack

The ANC on Tuesday condemned the Israeli government's latest attack on Syria.

"We view this as provocation that can only escalate hostilities in the Middle East, which in our view complicates and undermine the need for [a] peaceful resolution of the Syrian problem," African National Congress deputy secretary-general Jessie Duarte said in a statement.

"We believe that the cessation of hostilities by all protagonists is a precondition for the... attempt to save lives and bringing about lasting peace."

French news agency Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported that Israeli air raids on Syria at the weekend killed at least 42 soldiers.

The strikes on Sunday near Damascus were the Jewish state's second reported air raids on Syria in 48 hours. An early Friday raid targeted a weapons storage facility at Damascus airport.

A senior Israeli source reportedly said the raids targeted Iranian weapons destined for the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah.

Iran and Hezbollah are allies of Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad.

Syria has been involved in a civil war since 2011, with armed conflict between government forces and rebels who want to oust Al-Assad.


Source : Sapa /aa/th/dd/ks
Date : 07 May 2013 16:16
 
80,000 people killed in Syria Civil War = ANC dead silent.
Israel attacks Syrian Missile convoy, 42 soldiers killed = ANC throws their toys out of the cot! :rolleyes:
 
80,000 people killed in Syria Civil War = ANC dead silent.
Israel attacks Syrian Missile convoy, 42 soldiers killed = ANC throws their toys out of the cot! :rolleyes:

That's just a standard Africa thing, you see it everyday in the posts of many of the forum members. Anti Israel, anti USA and anti white South Africans is all in the name of their idiotic ANC game.
 
80,000 people killed in Syria Civil War = ANC dead silent.
Israel attacks Syrian Missile convoy, 42 soldiers killed = ANC throws their toys out of the cot! :rolleyes:

Par for the course. Muslims massacring Muslims en masse is easily ignored, while an Israeli sneezing is an apartheid style crime against humanity.

Perhaps... Haldex = Jessie Duarte? :eek:
 
That's just a standard Africa thing, you see it everyday in the posts of many of the forum members. Anti Israel, anti USA and anti white South Africans is all in the name of their idiotic ANC game.

You also see post after post from little forumites obsessed with issues due to insecurity. I think I'd win the lotto the day i don't see a thread bringing the ANC into it
 
80,000 people killed in Syria Civil War = ANC dead silent.
Israel attacks Syrian Missile convoy, 42 soldiers killed = ANC throws their toys out of the cot! :rolleyes:

Yeah, maybe they also recognize that poor Assad is the real victim in all this...
 
Par for the course. Muslims massacring Muslims en masse is easily ignored, while an Israeli sneezing is an apartheid style crime against humanity.

Perhaps... Haldex = Jessie Duarte? :eek:

Tell me, what would the reaction be to syria, iran lebanon hitting israel and killing 42 of their soldiers, would it have been as calm as this has been? Nope it would have been breaking news and war would have broken out, israel do it and it's kinda chilled.

They did just murder 42 soldiers without warning, that is illegal under any law you can find and if israel get hit they better not play the victim. 80000 dead people in a civil war, seems about right to me. Did i miss the civil wars that went by without heavy casualties?

http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/

good story about ww3 brewing.
 
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Tell me, what would the reaction be to syria, iran lebanon hitting israel and killing 42 of their soldiers, would it have been as calm as this has been? Nope it would have been breaking news and war would have broken out, israel do it and it's kinda chilled.

They did just murder 42 soldiers without warning, that is illegal under any law you can find and if israel get hit they better not play the victim. 80000 dead people in a civil war, seems about right to me. Did i miss the civil wars that went by without heavy casualties?

http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/

good story about ww3 brewing.

Cuba? lol, yeah okay then.
 
Tell me, what would the reaction be to syria, iran lebanon hitting israel and killing 42 of their soldiers, would it have been as calm as this has been?

It's not like they haven't been trying for the last 50 years and nope it wouldn't be calm, it would be a 6 day war.
 
You also see post after post from little forumites obsessed with issues due to insecurity. I think I'd win the lotto the day i don't see a thread bringing the ANC into it

What issues. It's fact that the ANC is always at logger heads with Israel or USA and crawled in the backsides of Syria, Palestine, Iran, Cuba et al, no matter what they do.
 
Cuba? lol, yeah okay then.

A third strike would be instant action, let's see if israel are brave enough to attack and murder some more soldiers. See i reckon israel thought maybe we can hit them and they won't respond, then we do it again and perhaps again but now we wait and see if israel will strike again and perhaps take an immediate hit or not. I highly doubt they will though. I think murdering so many soldiers has not been seen in a good light across the globe so i don't think it is a popular move or supported tactic.

With the new syrian government tactics though they are destroying the rebels at the moment, israel may have to hit them again because right now the rebels are on the run for the first time since the war began, no defensive tactics from the government. Interesting because they reckon if this offensive move fails the army may turn on assad but for now the tactic is working very well, crushing the rebels which i guess is expected. Rebels wanted a fight now, now they getting whipped and only intervention can really stop it. So will israel strike again hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i doubt it.

http://rt.com/news/un-peacekeepers-syria-rebels-956/
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/05/20135714319338927.html
O the story is on cnn for those of you who don't like rt
Still no cnn article, i saw the headline for awhile then it was gone, i wonder why there isn't an article yet.
interesting that RT.com knows more than both aljazeera and cnn. They even know the group who took these peace keepers. Aljazeera and cnn more than likely are not willing to make this front page news due to the rebels involvement. Unless RT are just guessing being pro assad but we will find out shortly. If that group has claimed the kidnapping then aljazeera are lying or rt are lying. Fascinating to see who is lying.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-...n-four-peacekeepers-in-golan-heights-1.519776


Even more interesting, pro assad UN peace keepers apparently according to haaretz. Still no cnn article, hmmm and aljazeera don't know even though a rebel group have claimed it. Seems legit. Aljazeera are still stating they don't know who claimed it, ummm yes you do. So most news places are reporting it was a rebel group, aljazeera has an article claiming they don't know and cnn have yet to post an article.
BBC have no article either.

WTF is wrong with these rebels? Honestly and why would the US support these total idiots. They should trying to get sympathy not attacking UN people although it was the UN who said the rebels are the ones using chemical weapons, pay back? I dunno if syrian residents are fleeing due to the number of rebel groups is a sign of anything i would take my chances with the government. Seems interesting it's near the golan heights, perhaps some more news will break about the syrian army advancing towards the golan heights to reclaim it.

Turkey not happy about strike
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/07/world/meast/syria-civil-war/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
 
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Amusing that Assad's allies are quick to condemn Israel's strike, but don't give a rat's ass about the tens of thousands of innocent people murdered by the Syrian government.
 
Amusing that Assad's allies are quick to condemn Israel's strike, but don't give a rat's ass about the tens of thousands of innocent people murdered by the Syrian government.

Sorry but turkey is no assad supporter. They want assad gone, read the article. You don't need to read the article to know how turkey feels about assad. They are not pro assad at all. It was a bit of a shock to me that they condemned it actually.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_League

The trouble for the US is if they want to go to war with iran they need assad gone but at the same time they need back up from the likes of turkey etc but israel and the US do not seem to be on the same page at the moment. You cannot go and kill up to 100 soldiers because you feel like it. That is a violation of international law, yet people are defending these actions based on the fact that there is a civil war. Does it make the strike right? The US don't kill soldiers like this so blatantly so i really doubt the US were involved with this strike. Blatant disregard for international law, o wait iraq war hmmmm maybe they are involved.
 
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interesting that RT.com knows more than both aljazeera and cnn. They even know the group who took these peace keepers. . . . .
Unless RT are just guessing being pro assad . . . . . or rt are lying. Fascinating to see who is lying.

It is indeed curious how they seem the authority that knows everything all the time !
 
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