The Syrian Conflict Thread

[za1]

Yeah but driving round a circle more than at least twice becomes questionable. Now you just make me to reconsider removing my one and only ignore.

Will wait and see how it pans out.

Though his logic is often flawed his viewpoint can be amusing and on occasion interesting to read.

 

[killadoob]

Haha
Things would most definitely not be the same without without him. Differing opinion is the very essence of discussion and debate, usually leading to closer scrutiny of the subject in question.
I understand your frustration - I threw in the towel a few days back to save myself having a mental meltdown, but everyone has the right to voice their opinion, no matter how crazy some may or may not think it might be.

Trouble with seriously is he never debates, he just tunes me . At least you engage me dude.

I always make it clear when something is a conspiracy, i don't claim it is a fact. I said obama would seek congress i got tuned about the laws and told by seriously i am idiot who doesn't get it yet it went to congress.

Anyways appreciate the support even from people who find me frustrating, seriously sadly dude if you look at this thread your posts have added nothing but personal attacks on me. Just put me on ignore and gary is correct i have mellowed out big time and yes i will have always conspiracy theory just add in some spice and i normally claim whether i believe it or not, i clearly state whether i believe it and that it is a conspiracy theory.

Thanx staggy and co for the support .

Seriously i urge you to make use of the ignore option. As gary mentions these kind of debates were by a country mile worse than now. The amount of tuning was intense but so the debates that included tuning with you it's tuning .

Anyways back on topic.

Obama is in trouble. I don't know the process if he gets a no vote but right now that is looking likely, i will be far more shocked by that than i was when the UK voted no. The trouble is he is ensuring boots on the ground by striking assad and that is the reason he is struggling to get support along with kerry blatantly lying. People are getting the iraq 2.0 feel if they support him but he may turn it around by wednesday. I think it's wednesday but could be monday.

 

[killadoob]

Haha
Things would most definitely not be the same without without him. Differing opinion is the very essence of discussion and debate, usually leading to closer scrutiny of the subject in question.
I understand your frustration - I threw in the towel a few days back to save myself having a mental meltdown, but everyone has the right to voice their opinion, no matter how crazy some may or may not think it might be.

Trouble with seriously is he never debates, he just tunes me . At least you engage me dude.

I always make it clear when something is a conspiracy, i don't claim it is a fact. I said obama would seek congress i got tuned about the laws and told by seriously i am idiot who doesn't get it yet it went to congress.

Anyways appreciate the support even from people who find me frustrating, seriously sadly dude if you look at this thread your posts have added nothing but personal attacks on me. Just put me on ignore and gary is correct i have mellowed out big time and yes i will always have a conspiracy theory just add in some spice and i normally claim whether i believe it or not, i clearly state whether i believe it and that it is a conspiracy theory.

Thanx staggy and co for the support .

Seriously i urge you to make use of the ignore option. As gary mentions these kind of debates were by a country mile worse than now. The amount of tuning was intense but so were the debates that included tuning with you it's tuning .

Anyways back on topic.

Obama is in trouble. I don't know the process if he gets a no vote but right now that is looking likely, i will be far more shocked by that than i was when the UK voted no. The trouble is he is ensuring boots on the ground by striking assad and that is the reason he is struggling to get support along with kerry blatantly lying. People are getting the iraq 2.0 feel if they support him but he may turn it around by wednesday. I think it's wednesday but could be monday.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

The landing ship left the Black Sea port of Sevastopol on Friday morning for the eastern Mediterranean with "special cargo,"

Probably hookers.

"We urge you not to take reckless measures as you have the power to steer the United States from the path of war to that of diplomacy," SANA quoted parliament chief Jihad al-Lahham as saying.

Diplomacy? Rich coming from an administration that butchered civilians left, right and centre instead of being 'diplomatic' about it.

 

[LazyLion]

Syria offers rewards for capture of foreign fighters

Syrian authorities are offering rewards of 500,000 Syrian pounds (around $2,500/1,900 euros), to anyone who hands over captured foreign "terrorists," Syrian state television said on Friday.

A reward of 200,000 pounds will be offered to those providing information on the presence of foreign fighters or helping in their capture.

Those handing in foreign fighters will be offered protection and their identities protected, the message added, saying even fugitives who turned in foreign fighters could receive pardons.

Syria's government deems as "terrorists" all those seeking the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad.

The armed opposition includes foreign fighters, some of whom belong to the Al-Qaeda-affiliated Al-Nusra Front and Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.


Source : Sapa-AFP /lk
Date : 06 Sep 2013 14:10

 

[killadoob]

Probably hookers.



Diplomacy? Rich coming from an administration that butchered civilians left, right and centre instead of being 'diplomatic' about it.

Similar to what the egypian military did? No intervention there people believe they are fighting terrorists. Seems your friends dictate how many people you can slaughter, unlimited if you are buddie buddie with certain people and then even death well you are complete monster if you are not friends.

Under assad, there was peace, secular government, even jews lived there. Now look. I could say that about every uprising though.

 

[LazyLion]

Waiting for UN approval on Syria 'dangerous'

Waiting for UN Security Council approval to launch potential military strikes on Syria is a "dangerous doctrine," British Prime Minister David Cameron said during G20 talks in St Petersburg.

He said some leaders had argued at dinner on Thursday that "unless it is self-defence or unless there is a Security Council resolution, there is no legal basis for taking action. I don't think that is the case."

"I think it is a very dangerous doctrine. If you accept that, you could have a country massacring half its people, a blockage at the UN Security Council, and no one could act."

"One of the frustrations of last night is you have countries - including Security Council permanent members - saying all this must be decided by the UN Security Council, and yet they are the very countries that are blocking any action and have been blocking resolutions for the last two-and-a-half years," he continued.


Source : Sapa-dpa /lk
Date : 06 Sep 2013 13:34

 

[LazyLion]

 

[Alan]

Diplomacy? Rich coming from an administration that butchered civilians left, right and centre instead of being 'diplomatic' about it.

Hans Blix says the same

 

[LazyLion]

Defiant Citizens leave it to fate as strikes loom

As the prospect of US-led strikes looms high over Syria, many residents of Damascus have packed up and fled, some leave it to fate and others defiantly insist their city will not fall.

Dima, a painter, says she is sure that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad "will defend us."

Sitting in a restaurant in the popular central souk of Salhiyeh with a plate of chicken kebab, Dima says she is wholly on Assad's side, despite Western accusations he is behind a suspected chemical attack on August 21.

Like many other Syrians who spoke to AFP, Dima is convinced that the aim of a possible strike is to crush "the axis of resistance" (against Israel) formed by Damascus and its allies Iran and the Lebanese Shiite movement Hezbollah.

"Damascus is a fortress, a thorn in the foot of the Americans," says Dima. "Damascus will not fall."

Assad's regime, playing up the nationalistic sentiments of the people, has said it is ready to confront a Western military attack -- a strike that would be the first to target the country since World War II, with the exception of action seen during the various Arab-Israeli wars.

State television channels frequently glorify the regime's "resistance" in the face of the "aggressor," against a background of footage showing the army in combat.

"If there is a strike, I will volunteer to fight alongside the army, to help, whatever," says Dima.

"Had I been afraid I would have left a long time ago," she adds.

Aid groups in Lebanon say that between 80 and 120 Syrian families have been scrambling across the border each day since August 21-- twice as many as before the claimed chemical attack.

Those who stayed behind have decided to leave it all to fate.

"I profoundly believe that what is written will happen," says Hanan, a veiled woman choosing a new pair of shoes in one of the many shops around Salhiyeh.

"I have a wedding to go to, so I am not worried," she says.

Booms of shellfire can be heard intermittently in the distance, but in the souk, despite the military checkpoints here and there, it is business as usual.

Young girls are window shopping, a street peddler is hawking corn and a crowd is gathering around a fresh fruit vendor.

Near the historic Hijaz train station of central Damascus, stronghold of the regime, many Syrians questioned by AFP echo the combative mood of the government, despite a certain agitation.

"Of course we are afraid that there will be deaths, that the infrastructure will be destroyed," says Umm Hassan.

"But we will stay here and we will resist; that is how we will overcome," she says, her eyes shielded by dark sunglasses.

And many Syrians are determined to come out victorious, just like national hero, Yussef al-Azmeh, who fought against French colonial powers and whose statue stands erect a mile away.

"Yussef al-Azmeh had only a few rifles and he never ceded to the French. We will do the same," says Abu Firas.

France backs a strike on Syria and President Francois Hollande has said France is ready to "punish" Assad for the alleged use of chemical weapons, though Paris will not act alone.

"Shame on France for being dragged that way behind the United States," shouts a passerby.

For other Syrians the drums of war remind them of another conflict, the 1973 Arab-Israeli war.

Mazen, an engineer, says he was only 14 then and would climb up on the roof of his family's home to watch Israeli war planes.

"Faith in our victory will be stronger than any military force," he says, his eyes scanning the headlines of local pro-regime dailies at a newspaper stand.

Fuad has no doubt about that.

"Even if there is a bloodbath, Damascus will resist. Even if they come in their tanks, they will have to pass over our dead bodies," he says.

US President Barack Obama is waiting for congressional approval to launch a punitive strike on Syrian regime targets, but has said military intervention will not involve any forces on the ground.


Source : Sapa-AFP /aw
Date : 06 Sep 2013 03:45

 

[killadoob]

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LOL, along with your avatar gary that post 100% perfection hahaha.

Cameron is right, i do agree that perhaps the security council should be looked at and revised.

The current system does not work and it just so happens the countries who are war mongers are in the five, obama blew it in libya with china, russia and his support base by ignoring the lack of support for his 250 tomahawk crusade. The resolution though was broadly worded, thus open to abuse and from that moment russia and china have lost faith in the US.


Obama has let me down though, he promised peace, he promised closing gitmo and he is bankrupting the US faster than other president in their history if i am not mistaken. Personally i believe he should have been impeached after the libya saga, i started to dislike him when the Benghazi scandal came out. Shocking

I may not like the government but that does mean i hate solider, diplomats and so on. Both bengazi and libya should have seen them impeach obama and he deserves to be impeached. If they give him the green light, the only outcome is boots on the ground and dead americans fighting for absolutely nothing. IRS, libya and Benghazi grounds for impeachment.

I was watching crosstalk and someone from saudi arabia threatened putin, either he backs off or they will terrorize the upciming olympic games on he upcoming Olympic events. One wonders if the US are also at the mercy of the saudi's and 911 was basically, listen to us because we can and will kill innocent americans.

I know many of you think rt is rubbish and all they do is lie which is not true, granted they are biased but i could say the same about other networks. Anyways even you dislike rt and refuse to even bother with it you really should watch this show http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/. Absolutely outstanding show and yes it is slightly anti american/west but they generally have 3 guests with different views.

 

[AthenianOwl]

"They lie beautifully, of course. I saw debates in Congress. A congressman asks Mr Kerry: 'Is al Qaeda there?' He says: 'No, I am telling you responsibly that it is not,'" Putin said at a meeting of his human rights council in the Kremlin.

"Al-Qaeda units are the main military echelon, and they know this," he said, referring to the United States. "It was unpleasant and surprising for me - we talk to them, we proceed from the assumption that they are decent people. But he is lying and knows he is lying. It's sad."

Putin did not give any more details.

In an exchange with a senator, Kerry was asked whether it was "basically true" that the Syrian opposition had "become more infiltrated by al-Qaeda over time. Kerry said: "No, that is actually basically not true. It's basically incorrect."

The US State Department dismissed as "preposterous" Russian President Vladimir Putin's statement that Secretary of State John Kerry lied to Congress about al-Qaeda's role in Syria.

"Secretary Kerry is, as you all know, a decorated combat veteran," State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki said, referring to Kerry's service during the Vietnam War. "He's had ... more than words aimed at him.

"So he's not losing sleep after such a preposterous comment that was based on an inaccurate quote and was completely mischaracterised," she added.

Haha, this is so BS
http://www.news24.com/World/News/Kerry-lied-about-al-Qaeda-in-Syria-Putin-20130905

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Putin said at a meeting of his human rights council in the Kremlin.

Pfffhahahahaha.

"Secretary Kerry is, as you all know, a decorated combat veteran,"

This is relevant how?

 

[Alan]

"So he's not losing sleep after such a preposterous comment that was based on an inaccurate quote and was completely mischaracterised," she added.

inaccurate quote? They got him on camera saying that :erm:

 

[killadoob]

inaccurate quote? They got him on camera saying that :erm:

I think we both commented on it right after he said it if i recall.

Nothing inaccurate about his lies, we are not here for anything more than a limited strike resolution, o really? I give you my word there will be no boots on the ground. While he isn't lying he knows toppling assad means boots on the ground.

That grilling was so epic. Long but epic. Watching them tell absolute lies again was good fun. seeing kerry visibly annoyed by the questions was even better. I wish we could have seen the closed sessions i am itching to know how the undeniable evidence was presented. Did they ramble on and did they mention over and over this is a fact!!!!!!!! that is a fact!!!!!!! we know for a fact!!!!!!!!. This is undeniable people.

It is a fact we have evidence proving assad did it but we cannot share it even in a closed session as it might get leaked hahaha, i bet that was the story.

 

[Lightscribe]

Really? mounting evidence, undeniable evidence. Well i wonder why if they had voted today he would have lost with this mounting evidence and undeniable proof. http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/obama-syria-house-vote-96347.html?hp=t1

Yes, mounting evidence from all sides. Not just what the USA says it has.

Read the whole article you link to. "IF"... Too funny.

Boy this vote will be interesting. Can't wait. It looks a tight one, i thought it would slide in easily well until kerry talked about ground troops and made numerous lies. I can only imagine what their undeniable stuff was like. Not very convincing. The US claimed they had intercepted the voice call, they were shot down saying israel did and now germany have claimed they did, extremely confusing when 3 countries intercept the same call, sound like something bush would try . Monday!!!!!!!!!!! go time or lame duck.

Again, read the article you link to.

A final Senate vote could come late next week, or it could potentially even slide into the following week.

No, it's only confusing for you.

Evidence points that the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad used chemical weapons in an attack near Damascus last month, EU defence ministers have concluded.

"There are many signs that the regime used the (chemical) weapons," Lithuanian Defence Minister Juozas Olekas said as EU counterparts met in the Baltic state, which currently holds EU's rotating presidency.

Olekas said that although all his fellow ministers "condemned the use of chemical weapons and believed those responsible must be held accountable" there were "a variety of opinions" on what should be done in response.

Another EU official who spoke on condition of anonymity said France and Denmark were among the most vocal supporters of military intervention against the Assad regime, while Italy and Spain remained more sceptical.

"However, no one said that they would condemn it if there is military action," the official told AFP.

Of course, the Russians, that used the people of Afghanistan as guinea pigs for chemical weapons and now are doing it to the people of Syria, are desperate to keep the world, from it's stockpiles, in it's proxy war regions.

Russia on Friday warned the United States against targeting Syria's chemical arsenal as Washington considered the use of force against President Bashar al-Assad's regime.

"With particular concern we perceive the fact that military infrastructure facilities securing the integrity and safety of Syria's chemical arsenal are among the possible targets for military strikes," the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement.

LOL, along with your avatar gary that post 100% perfection hahaha.

Cameron is right, i do agree that perhaps the security council should be looked at and revised.

The current system does not work and it just so happens the countries who are war mongers are in the five, obama blew it in libya with china, russia and his support base by ignoring the lack of support for his 250 tomahawk crusade. The resolution though was broadly worded, thus open to abuse and from that moment russia and china have lost faith in the US.

Russia and China are actively working at undermining the USA. Don't try BS about their supposed good intentions having turned to "loss of faith".

Obama has let me down though, he promised peace, he promised closing gitmo and he is bankrupting the US faster than other president in their history if i am not mistaken. Personally i believe he should have been impeached after the libya saga, i started to dislike him when the Benghazi scandal came out. Shocking

You're not in the crèche anymore. WTFU.

I may not like the government but that does mean i hate solider, diplomats and so on. Both bengazi and libya should have seen them impeach obama and he deserves to be impeached. If they give him the green light, the only outcome is boots on the ground and dead americans fighting for absolutely nothing. IRS, libya and Benghazi grounds for impeachment.

Yes, we know you just love Obama.

I was watching crosstalk and someone from saudi arabia threatened putin, either he backs off or they will terrorize the upciming olympic games on he upcoming Olympic events. One wonders if the US are also at the mercy of the saudi's and 911 was basically, listen to us because we can and will kill innocent americans.

I know many of you think rt is rubbish and all they do is lie which is not true, granted they are biased but i could say the same about other networks. Anyways even you dislike rt and refuse to even bother with it you really should watch this show http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/. Absolutely outstanding show and yes it is slightly anti american/west but they generally have 3 guests with different views.

Good to hear more talk of Russia being terrorized, rather than just rabid anti West and anti Israel terrorizing, created and sponsored by Russia.

I think we both commented on it right after he said it if i recall.

Nothing inaccurate about his lies, we are not here for anything more than a limited strike resolution, o really? I give you my word there will be no boots on the ground. While he isn't lying he knows toppling assad means boots on the ground.

That grilling was so epic. Long but epic. Watching them tell absolute lies again was good fun. seeing kerry visibly annoyed by the questions was even better. I wish we could have seen the closed sessions i am itching to know how the undeniable evidence was presented. Did they ramble on and did they mention over and over this is a fact!!!!!!!! that is a fact!!!!!!! we know for a fact!!!!!!!!. This is undeniable people.

It is a fact we have evidence proving assad did it but we cannot share it even in a closed session as it might get leaked hahaha, i bet that was the story.

Again, WTFU. The evidence is from many sources. Yes, together, it's undeniable evidence. You, moaning about what the USA has, or claims to have, is rather lame.

 

[DreamKing]

Video: Syrian rebels execute soldiers

[WARNING] This report includes graphic content. Viewer discretion is advised.

[video=youtube;4vBFlI5o-0M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4vBFlI5o-0M[/video]

 

[killadoob]

O boy, here is the lightscribe i really enjoy.

Russia and china were never acting to undermine the US, obama abused a resolution that Russia and china allowed in libya. Obama has only himself to blame for the russia, china situation.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20111005/167406348.html So you accuse russia and china of undermining the US but ignore the US abused a resolution to enforce a regime change. So basically obama screwed himself and the US, not only did obama alienate and send relations to an all time low at the same time alienated himself back home.

Then you have the IRS scandal, benghazi scandal where he ordered rescue teams to stand down ensuring 4 americans died. His overall rating is at an all time low both internationally and back home. You can see by the UK voting no citing libya and iraq as the reasons he is not trusted and the US in general are not trusted.

We will see if libya and the order to stand down when american diplomats were in trouble is still fresh in even democratic minds. So obama has alienated himself back home and internationally. That is a fact!!! eish no wait i don't want to sound like kerry, o wait i have presented evidence. Ok undeniable proof!!!

I am not moaning about the US having no evidence lightscribe. Nothing to moan about. It's like claiming kerry was misquoted but it was live for all to see.

dreamking that isn't all that shocking, in a civil war you can't keep hostages, you either have to kill or release them and it makes sense to kill them. Assad's troops ambushed rebels and killed 24 of them in an incident, it was slightly different granted but essentially the same thing.

 

[Celine]

this is all a load of codswallop. if syria attacked their own citizens with whatever weapons then whatever leave it to them to fight the good fight. it's not as if they attacked some other nation or country like hitler. other countries need not go to war for this so called cause. i don't want to see another iraq situation. USA need to keep their noses out of other countries and stop calling the shots. i've yet to hear obama and kerry state the proof that syria used these weapons. and that's my opinion and i'm sticking to it.

 

[Lightscribe]

O boy, here is the lightscribe i really enjoy.

Russia and china were never acting to undermine the US, obama abused a resolution that Russia and china allowed in libya. Obama has only himself to blame for the russia, china situation.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20111005/167406348.html So you accuse russia and china of undermining the US but ignore the US abused a resolution to enforce a regime change. So basically obama screwed himself and the US, not only did obama alienate and send relations to an all time low at the same time alienated himself back home.

Then you have the IRS scandal, benghazi scandal where he ordered rescue teams to stand down ensuring 4 americans died. His overall rating is at an all time low both internationally and back home. You can see by the UK voting no citing libya and iraq as the reasons he is not trusted and the US in general are not trusted.

We will see if libya and the order to stand down when american diplomats were in trouble is still fresh in even democratic minds. So obama has alienated himself back home and internationally. That is a fact!!! eish no wait i don't want to sound like kerry, o wait i have presented evidence. Ok undeniable proof!!!

Please don't BS.

As for your link, it shows how the USA wanted to stop the killing of the "protesters". Remember when they were still just protesting, but getting slaughtered by assad and his masters?

As for your anti Obama rant...yawn.

I am not moaning about the US having no evidence lightscribe. Nothing to moan about. It's like claiming kerry was misquoted but it was live for all to see.

Ok, not moaning, deliberately obfuscating, as usual.