The Syrian Conflict Thread

Tun@ said:
But i bet it won't go anywhere.....US is making fools out of themselves, they should grab this chance & use it to back out but i'll be surpised if they do.....
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Kerry has given them a week

US Secretary of State John Kerry has declared that the only thing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad could do to avoid a US military strike would be to hand over his entire arsenal of chemical weapons within the next week.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...warns-john-kerry-on-london-visit-8804824.html

Really is a clown

Kerry said it would be “unbelievably small, limited” effort, meant to punish the regime’s use of chemical weapons but not intended to get the U.S. military involved in a years-long conflict.
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Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/09/09/john-kerry-give-up-your-chemical-weapons-syria/#ixzz2ePSIk2KT
 
LOL i said kerry was obamas biggest problem.

He jokingly made a comment that has now put the nail in the yes vote, it was already in doubt but now kerry and his arrogance has ensured obamas hope of a strike is dead, so either he goes ahead anyway and faces possible impeachment or he will have to say well we got them to hand over the weapons.

LOL kerry, lies live on tv, jokingly he destroys any chance obama had of congress voting yes. As far as i can tell, watching cnn the only thing that obama has is 13 videos, showing the horror of the attack. Nothing linking those videos to assad. They have no evidence to link assad to the attack and now there is a diplomatic solution on the table.

Thank goodness. Go kerry you absolute champion. So the US has forced syria to hand over their chemical weapons, well done guys. Now you have shown the world your mighty power. Call it a day. Obama to convince the american people the US must strike syria tomorrow night. Should be a comedy show now. Undeniable evidence lacking, kerry opening a diplomatic solution due to his arrogance.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...ical-weapons-under-international-control.html

Boom, syria agrees to conditions set by kerry.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...877edc-1857-11e3-961c-f22d3aaf19ab_story.html

No evidence linking assad to attack. The US undeniable evidence has just become what we all thought. Load of rubbish.
 
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killadoob said:
LOL i said kerry was obamas biggest problem.

He jokingly made a comment that has now put the nail in the yes vote, it was already in doubt but now kerry and his arrogance has ensured obamas hope of a strike is dead, so either he goes ahead anyway and faces possible impeachment or he will have to say well we got them to hand over the weapons.

LOL kerry, lies live on tv, jokingly he destroys any chance obama had of congress voting yes. As far as i can tell, watching cnn the only thing that obama has is 13 videos, showing the horror of the attack. Nothing linking those videos to assad. They have no evidence to link assad to the attack and now there is a diplomatic solution on the table.

Thank goodness. Go kerry you absolute champion. So the US has forced syria to hand over their chemical weapons, well done guys. Now you have shown the world your mighty power. Call it a day. Obama to convince the american people the US must strike syria tomorrow night. Should be a comedy show now. Undeniable evidence lacking, kerry opening a diplomatic solution due to his arrogance.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...ical-weapons-under-international-control.html

Boom, syria agrees to conditions set by kerry.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...877edc-1857-11e3-961c-f22d3aaf19ab_story.html

No evidence linking assad to attack. The US undeniable evidence has just become what we all thought. Load of rubbish.
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+1 well-said.
 
So I haven't been following the Syria news at all the past few weeks, but my folks are going up to Israel and Turkey for a tour on the 18th. My mom expressed some concern at the state of things seeing as they both border Syria, but I don't really know much about the whole conflict. Anyone reckon there should be any cause for concern?

Also, sorry if this is slightly off-topic, but I'm really not sure what's happening up there.
 
killadoob said:
http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/syria-assad-intervention-death-594/

You should watch this, the anti war female on the show is just so ignorant it is beyond belief. If you don't feel like watching it, she makes an extremely bad error that totally goes against everything we know. If you want me to tell you rather than watch it let me know.
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Doubt I'm gonna watch it, so you might as well share her grievous error. :p

Zewp said:
So I haven't been following the Syria news at all the past few weeks, but my folks are going up to Israel and Turkey for a tour on the 18th. My mom expressed some concern at the state of things seeing as they both border Syria, but I don't really know much about the whole conflict. Anyone reckon there should be any cause for concern?

Also, sorry if this is slightly off-topic, but I'm really not sure what's happening up there.
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Nah, should be fine. Maybe just tell them to stay away from the Syrian border. :p
 
Not a very safe idea at the moment the way things are - US is looking to step in with strikes on Syria - Syria threatened a week or so back if that happens Israel might come under some fire,I think i read Israeli's had been issued gas masks already.
Turkey is also building up military close to the border so their also pretty involved...
As of today there is MAYBE a possible diplomatic solution ahead but that's all new & unknown if its going to go anywhere or not.

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Gasmask handout's in Israel looks like it is nothing new.
Israel has distributed gas masks and kits with antidotes in the past, beginning with the first Gulf War in 1991. Three years ago, Israel recalled masks after some components passed their expiration date.
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Zewp said:
So I haven't been following the Syria news at all the past few weeks, but my folks are going up to Israel and Turkey for a tour on the 18th. My mom expressed some concern at the state of things seeing as they both border Syria, but I don't really know much about the whole conflict. Anyone reckon there should be any cause for concern?

Also, sorry if this is slightly off-topic, but I'm really not sure what's happening up there.
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Probably. There is a very slim chance they might launch scuds at Israel like Saddam did that could contain chemical warheads in retaliation for the U.S airstrikes. Given how irrational and seemingly weak the command and control Assad has over his forces it can't be discounted. More likely is a retaliation against Turkey like the car bombings the Syrian regime has already been linked too.

Assuming the U.S even takes action which is looking increasingly unlikely.
 
killadoob said:
Actually it isn't rt i was believing but they are correct a UK company did deliver certain things to make sarin or that can be used to make sarin.

Then i read this http://www.naturalnews.com/041883_Syria_chemical_weapons_sodium_fluoride.html

Yes natural news and i cannot say for sure they are correct but again it casts doubt. You can google it and you will find they are 100% we would all test positive for sarin.

Odd you tune me i will believe anything rt says yet you will believe anything the US say. I still don't know who did it nor do i claim with certainty assad never did it. You believe with all your heart the lying US who have secret evidence are correct.

As mentioned cult mentality, then you tune me that i believe everything RT says yet you believe the US who have lied time and again and you don't even want to see this secret evidence they have. You just want them to bomb another country based on a 50/50 as to who did it. No bru common sense needs to prevail and i hope it does.
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I don't just believe everything the US says. In this case it's France, Germany and the Arab League. All your bs comes from Putin's ass kissers :)
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Doubt I'm gonna watch it, so you might as well share her grievous error. :p



Nah, should be fine. Maybe just tell them to stay away from the Syrian border. :p
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Well at least you honest but i knew it already :p, anyways they argue about massacres and she doesn't seem concerned about the massacres from both sides, she basically says only assad is slaughtering innocent people. Now we know iraq is on target to reach the amount of dead civilians in well under two years and there isn't a full scale war there. So 100000 dead people does not mean slaughtered like iraq. Anyways just before the end they are talking about all the christians and she says assad is massacring christians.

Now one thing has been clear from the get go, assad is doing his best to keep christians and other minorities safe. Just found it interesting the claims she made but i was mind blown when she said assad is slaughtering christians, that has to me the most idiotic comment i have heard, on this forum and anywhere else it is the most ignorant comment. She said that syrians have lived in peace for decades, she failed to mention that was because assad was not into shariah law and he allowed religious people their freedom including jews he supposedly hates. Now that is exactly what she wants in power. Bizarre i thought. She does not realize a post assad government means shariah law. The US still have yet to confirm a plan for a post assad regime and that is because there simply isn't one. We will see though how quickly the UN and russia can get the international community into syria to secure the WMDS

She wants a regime change but basically when asked what happens after assad, she said well it will take some transition but we will get there. Now looking at iraq, libya, egypt, etc i somehow think she is deluded. She has this picture in her head of a syria she once lived in. That syria is long gone.
 
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zippy said:
I don't just believe everything the US says. In this case it's France, Germany and the Arab League. All your bs comes from Putin's ass kissers :)
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Ok so you basically the believe the media, you can't think for yourself? You can't think logically the only way assad can lose would be intervention. So naturally you go gas your people when the UN inspectors are in the country. Makes total sense.

Assad made a funny comment he said, the US is a social media government :D.

Anyways you believe zippy, i don't have any reason to deny you your opinion. If you are basing it on evidence and not just word of mouth by all means believe it. No matter what you base it on, it is your opinion :D. France and germany bend the US sends. The gulf countries have offered to fund the war, now these are people who fund and support terror. Nothing about that strikes me as scary. On the eve of 911 and the same people the US are trying to help over run syria are the same people who killed 3000 americans.

Really insane thing is the gulf countries are wanting to pay for a full scale invasion, not just the limited bombing that will be massive bombing. They want a full scale invasion and will pay for it but why don't they use their own troops? trouble with exporting extremism is you have no control over them, the US are not extremists, the soldiers i mean. So i guess from that aspect it makes sense to have a controlled force occupy syria. How much is an American life worth i wonder? Is it the rich getting richer while the soldiers die or get injured and then tossed aside as if they are garbage.
 
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I still don't get why you think it's deadset and inevitable that the extremists are going to take over. They're not the majority of the opposition fighters. I think an Egypt-like situation is more likely. You make it sound like the moment Assad falls that Al-Nusra will take over the government and rule Syria with an iron fist.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
I still don't get why you think it's deadset and inevitable that the extremists are going to take over. They're not the majority of the opposition fighters. I think an Egypt-like situation is more likely. You make it sound like the moment Assad falls that Al-Nusra will take over the government and rule Syria with an iron fist.
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http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13920618000223


Let me show you something, Al nusra let's use wiki as estimates although nobody really knows but anyhow:

6000, friends of al nusra or part of al nusra i don't know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahrar_ash-Sham 10-20k strong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Islamic_Front 13000 troops

Now that is excluding the defectors from FSA to al nusra and co, numbers as high as 5000-20000 nobody really knows.

These are just numbers from wiki so don't hold me to anything. Now i would take al nusras 6000 troops over 80000 FSA army troops. FSA is not well armed, poorly trained and frankly useless. 6000 al nusra members are capable of taking and holding towns while FSA army with their numbers could not do it. Now if those numbers are correct we are talking roughly what 30-40% perhaps as much as 50% extremists fighting with the FSA and against it.

Now this is by no means a fact but it is documented and kerry is saying they are no threat? They are going to vote on the anniversary of 911 to help the same people who killed 3000 americans. Funny how terrorists are no good until you need them. Declare the war on terror over and perhaps supporting terror is far from intelligent. All these groups have said when they are done with assad they will attack foreign forces, rebels, anyone they deem the enemy which is virtually everyone in syria and beyond. Fighters are flocking in via iraq as well. There is no possible way kerry can say these groups who are friends with the same goals are not a threat.

You will see when they bomb syria how bad things will go, but it's fine in 2 years the sheep will just believe the next lie. Kerry lied and he knows al nusra and co are a serious problem, not only for assad but for everyone in the region including israel. Enabling terrorism while fighting a war against it? WTF?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162...-take-syrian-christian-village-activists-say/

20% extremists they think, not confirmed, i think take 80000 FSA troops put them up against 20000 extremists and i can bet you right now with or without military equipment the extremists will smash the FSA something horrific. 20000 extremists, let's say that is the estimate. OMgosh that is a crazy amount of crazy people who are unbelievable fighters with no one controlling them and a hatred for everyone.
 
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killadoob said:
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13920618000223


Let me show you something, Al nusra let's use wiki as estimates although nobody really knows but anyhow:

6000, friends of al nusra or part of al nusra i don't know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahrar_ash-Sham 10-20k strong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Islamic_Front 13000 troops

Now that is excluding the defectors from FSA to al nusra and co, numbers as high as 5000-20000 nobody really knows.

These are just numbers from wiki so don't hold me to anything. Now i would take al nusras 6000 troops over 80000 FSA army troops. FSA is not well armed, poorly trained and frankly useless. 6000 al nusra members are capable of taking and holding towns while FSA army with their numbers could not do it. Now if those numbers are correct we are talking roughly what 30-40% perhaps as much as 50% extremists fighting with the FSA and against it.

Now this is by no means a fact but it is documented and kerry is saying they are no threat? They are going to vote on the anniversary of 911 to help the same people who killed 3000 americans. Funny how terrorists are no good until you need them. Declare the war on terror over and perhaps supporting terror is far from intelligent. All these groups have said when they are done with assad they will attack foreign forces, rebels, anyone they deem the enemy which is virtually everyone in syria and beyond. Fighters are flocking in via iraq as well. There is no possible way kerry can say these groups who are friends with the same goals are not a threat.

You will see when they bomb syria how bad things will go, but it's fine in 2 years the sheep will just believe the next lie. Kerry lied and he knows al nusra and co are a serious problem, not only for assad but for everyone in the region including israel. Enabling terrorism while fighting a war against it? WTF?
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War is complex. al nusra and co. are there. Leaving assad in place, or elections with assad included, will not make them disappear.

They are there and whatever the form of new government, they will either be part of it, or be fighting it.
 
Lightscribe said:
War is complex. al nusra and co. are there. Leaving assad in place, or elections with assad included, will not make them disappear.

They are there and whatever the form of new government, they will either be part of it, or be fighting it.
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Elections? woah bro, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Assad or no assad syria is beyond screwed. From syria lebanon will be next, isolating iran and putting extremists on both israel and russian borders. When they bomb assad, there is no control in the country. Chemical weapons in hands of 20000 extremists perhaps more and they have threatened anyone who gets in their way. If the west think these extremists are loyal or care about anything other than killing people they hate, there is a rude awakening coming for lebanon, iran, israel and russia.

It's a matter of time before we see the US help the very people they are suppose to be at war with.

Israel seem ok with this, putin not so much. Either israel are confident these extremists will be friendly with jews and hate iranians or israel are helping bring some of the most potent fighters to their door step. You can carry on about hezbollah, all the armies israel have faced but israel have never faced an opponent like these fighters. As much as i don't like extremists i have to say one thing they are unrivaled on the battlefield, thrive on chaos and strive to cause chaos. Even the mighty US could not cope with them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...226aba-1709-11e3-804b-d3a1a3a18f2c_story.html

I love it, exaggerated? 15-25% of the fighters are extremists according to whoever, there is no way to know for sure that figure isn't higher but let's take 25% of forces in syria being well armed, well trained and some of the most fearsome fighters i have ever seen. I don't think anything has been exaggerated, perhaps people don't grasp that 25% of the best infantry personal will decimate the other 75% poorly armed and trained fighters in a matter of days. Yet the protestors in egypt are all terrorists, this is perfectly fine and acceptable. No one questions it and they are not even the best infantry fighters on the planet.
 
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http://rt.com/usa/obama-us-syria-chemical-631/

Obama forced to delay voting. Wow kerry really messed up what was an easy path to a strike. I am not sure but this is my understanding(correct me if i am wrong), get the senate vote and go to war. Certainty that is what would happen until kerry opened his big mouth, perhaps i am wrong and the US are actually trying to find a way out and realize they will be unleashing terror upon the region by removing assad. I hope i am wrong but i think obama was forced into the congress story, then he was forced to show undeniable evidence, now he is forced to look into this diplomatic solution that was either planned or kerry just made a total mess of it but i am willing to bet kerry made a huge mistake and he got called on it.
 
killadoob said:
Elections? woah bro, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Assad or no assad syria is beyond screwed. From syria lebanon will be next, isolating iran and putting extremists on both israel and russian borders. When they bomb assad, there is no control in the country. Chemical weapons in hands of 20000 extremists perhaps more and they have threatened anyone who gets in their way. If the west think these extremists are loyal or care about anything other than killing people they hate, there is a rude awakening coming for lebanon, iran, israel and russia.

It's a matter of time before we see the US help the very people they are suppose to be at war with.

Israel seem ok with this, putin not so much. Either israel are confident these extremists will be friendly with jews and hate iranians or israel are helping bring some of the most potent fighters to their door step. You can carry on about hezbollah, all the armies israel have faced but israel have never faced an opponent like these fighters. As much as i don't like extremists i have to say one thing they are unrivaled on the battlefield, thrive on chaos and strive to cause chaos. Even the mighty US could not cope with them.
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It has been said already, neither the USA or Israel, will allow the chemical weapons stockpiles to fall into the hands of radicals.

You keep waffling that the USA is trying to help the radicals take control. BS.

You keep making assumptions about how Israel is involved in helping the radicals. BS.

You keep going on about how great the radicals are. Unrivaled. BS.

They die like any other human. They are very good, highly mobile, experienced fighters, but not the best.

Syrian Army Kills 40 al-Nusra Front Members in Damascus Ambush

Syrian army ambush kills 62 'al-Qaida-linked' rebels east of Damascus

So, that's the Syrian army, or what's left of it, slaughtering al nusra...

Want to guess who will be killing who, when it's Israel against al nusra?
 
Here, Israel makes it clear for you.

Liberman warns that Israel will topple Assad if he attacks
By GIL HOFFMAN
09/09/2013 22:14

Israel will ensure that Syrian leader Bashar Assad will not remain in power if he attacks Israel, Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee chairman Avigdor Liberman (Likud Beytenu) said Monday.

The statement was the clearest warning to Assad delivered by a top Israeli figure since the escalation of tension between Syria and the United States.

Speaking following Assad’s warnings of “repercussions” if America struck his country, Liberman said such threats could not go without response.

“The supreme Israeli interest is to remain outside the conflict,” Liberman wrote on his Facebook page. “There are many figures trying to drag us in. We have successfully avoided that and we should continue in the future. That is why Bashar Assad’s threats in various media outlets to expand the conflict to neighboring countries bother me.

Israel has no interest, will or intention to take part in the Syrian civil war, but Assad must understand in the clearest way possible that if he and his regime do not leave us a choice and he attacks Israel or transfers chemical weapons to Hezbollah, Israel will respond in the harshest way possible, including toppling his regime.”

Liberman complained that the Syrian civil war had become “the cruelest conflict of the 21st century” and that there was no end in sight. He said there was no quick military or diplomatic solution that would be satisfactory.

Mentioning the United States, Britain, China, Russia and the United Nations, Liberman said the entire world had an interest in stopping the bloodshed, adding that the failure of the international community thus far at that task was very worrying.

In a speech to Yisrael Beytenu activists last week, Liberman was careful to heed Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s request not to respond to US President Barack Obama’s controversial decision to wait to decide whether to attack Syria until he received congressional approval.

“We aren’t the reason for what is happening in Syria,” Liberman told the crowd. “The entire civil war did not start because of Israel or because of our conflict with the Palestinians.

We have no interest in becoming part of what is happening there. But I recommend not testing us or dragging us in, because we are ready.”

http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-...Israel-will-topple-Assad-if-he-attacks-325664
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