The Syrian Conflict Thread

[Taranis]

Ooohhhh I see now, yes that's a great reason to make Russian language classes, compulsory at all secondary schools in Syria.

Chinese is a popular choice as well - even in the UK. BUt I'll bet that's OK then?

Please supply proof of what you are saying, in each of the two sentences.

"Washington pressure got France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Austria, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE and other countries to prevent Syrian expats from voting."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/electi...ountries-to-prevent-syrian-expats-from-voting

What is interesting is that not so much problems holding the election in Syria, but countries like France, Germany and Belgium, as well the United Arab Emirates that are effectively preventing Syrian's from exercising their democratic right to vote… they are actually banning Syrians from voting in those countries where the Syrian state is actually trying to organize Syrians to vote. Those counties are banning them from doing so.
http://rt.com/op-edge/163048-west-democracy-syrian-elections/


France and Germany intend to prevent Syrians living in their countries from voting in Syria's presidential election in a bid to disrupt the upcoming elections in Syria, country's Foreign Ministry says.

Germany and France are "preventing Syrians living in their territory from voting", the foreign ministry said in a statement on Monday.

"France... is carrying out a hostile press campaign" against next month's election, the statement added.

"It has officially informed our embassy in Paris of its opposition to the holding of the vote on French territory, including the Syrian embassy."
- See more at: http://en.alalam.ir/news/1593456#sthash.aCrMR7i9.dpuf


http://www.arabnews.com/news/569636

BRUSSELS, June 3 (RIA Novosti) - All the allies of the NATO do not recognize the results of the presidential election in Syria, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said Tuesday.

“The Syrian presidential election is a farce," Rasmussen said in the framework of a NATO defense ministers meeting in Brussels.

The vote "does not fulfil international standards for free, fair and transparent elections and I am sure no [NATO] ally will recognize the outcome of these so-called elections," Rasmussen said.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140603/190...-Allies-Never-Recognize-Outcome-of-Syria.html

 

[Lightscribe]

Chinese is a popular choice as well - even in the UK. BUt I'll bet that's OK then?

Yes, it's OK if it's a choice. The Syrians have no choice. "Compulsory" is not "Choice".

"Washington pressure got France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Austria, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE and other countries to prevent Syrian expats from voting."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/electi...ountries-to-prevent-syrian-expats-from-voting

What is interesting is that not so much problems holding the election in Syria, but countries like France, Germany and Belgium, as well the United Arab Emirates that are effectively preventing Syrian's from exercising their democratic right to vote… they are actually banning Syrians from voting in those countries where the Syrian state is actually trying to organize Syrians to vote. Those counties are banning them from doing so.
http://rt.com/op-edge/163048-west-democracy-syrian-elections/

France and Germany intend to prevent Syrians living in their countries from voting in Syria's presidential election in a bid to disrupt the upcoming elections in Syria, country's Foreign Ministry says.

Germany and France are "preventing Syrians living in their territory from voting", the foreign ministry said in a statement on Monday.

"France... is carrying out a hostile press campaign" against next month's election, the statement added.

"It has officially informed our embassy in Paris of its opposition to the holding of the vote on French territory, including the Syrian embassy."
- See more at: http://en.alalam.ir/news/1593456#sthash.aCrMR7i9.dpuf


http://www.arabnews.com/news/569636

BRUSSELS, June 3 (RIA Novosti) - All the allies of the NATO do not recognize the results of the presidential election in Syria, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said Tuesday.

“The Syrian presidential election is a farce," Rasmussen said in the framework of a NATO defense ministers meeting in Brussels.

The vote "does not fulfil international standards for free, fair and transparent elections and I am sure no [NATO] ally will recognize the outcome of these so-called elections," Rasmussen said.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140603/190...-Allies-Never-Recognize-Outcome-of-Syria.html

Ok, here's the issue.

There was no voting in the roughly 60 percent of the country outside the control of Assad’s government, which includes large areas of second city Aleppo.

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The United Nations has warned that the election will only complicate efforts to relaunch peace talks after two rounds of abortive negotiations in Switzerland earlier this year.

The exiled opposition has made Assad's departure from power a precondition for any negotiated settlement and his re-election for a new seven-year term is likely to scupper any hope of getting them back to the negotiating table any time soon.

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Three candidates are running for the presidency in Syria, including incumbent President Bashar Assad, who has been in power since 2000. The other two candidates are Maher Abdul-Hafiz Hajjar, 43, an ex-Communist Party activist and member of parliament; and Hassan Abdullah Nouri, 54, a Damascus native and former lawmaker, who previously headed Syria’s Chamber of Industry.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140603/190...-Allies-Never-Recognize-Outcome-of-Syria.html

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Foreign governments allied to Assad – Iran, North Korea and Russia – sent observers to monitor the election, but Western governments have dubbed it a mockery of democracy.

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20140604207343

I agree, the vote is a farce.

 

[Taranis]

Yes, it's OK if it's a choice. The Syrians have no choice. "Compulsory" is not "Choice".



Ok, here's the issue.



I agree, the vote is a farce.

Why is the Syrian vote a farce but the Ukrainian one is OK?

 

[Taranis]

Yes, it's OK if it's a choice. The Syrians have no choice. "Compulsory" is not "Choice".

English has been a compulsory subject for primary school children in China since 2001, the year China joined the World Trade Organisation.


A school in Brighton has become the first in the UK to make Mandarin a compulsory subject in its curriculum.

Mandarin lessons to become compulsory in Pakistan

 

[Unhappy438]

Yes, it's OK if it's a choice. The Syrians have no choice. "Compulsory" is not "Choice".

Actually Lightscribe i must say, whilst Syria aligns themselves with Russia whilst doing lots of trade and business with them. Then making Russian compulsory is a pretty good idea.

 

[Lightscribe]

Why is the Syrian vote a farce but the Ukrainian one is OK?

Take note of the amount of Ukranian people that were not able to vote, because of Russia's special forces in certain areas, by looking at the map on the right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_presidential_election,_2014

Take note of the type of countries that consider the elections OK, compared to Syria's, which were, of course, Iran, North Korea and Russia...

Also take note of the Russian attempt to BS some more on the election:

Just after the vote, Channel One Russia displayed a screenshot in which the winner of the election was declared to be Dmytro Yarosh, the Right Sector candidate. This was announced by an anchorwoman on live TV stating "That data just appeared on the website of the Central Election Commission of Ukraine few minutes ago". The screenshot, which featured the name of the Central Election Commission of Ukraine but had no indications of any number of protocols or the number of people who voted, stated that Yarosh won with 37% of the vote.[107]

Ukrinform, citing a source in the Security Service of Ukraine reported that this is not a mistake at all, but a provocation and an element of failed Russian special forces operations in an information war against Ukraine. SSU and Special State Communication together with the Ukrainian IT specialists discovered and defused a computer virus which was programmed to start during the counting of votes at the CEC and to show the winner Dmytro Yarosh with 37% or the equivalent of 19 million voters. The virus was neutralized for 40 minutes before the broadcasting at Channel One Russia and neutralization was not noticed in by the channel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_presidential_election,_2014

English has been a compulsory subject for primary school children in China since 2001, the year China joined the World Trade Organisation.

Good, since English is the universal language. They can't seem to get enough of it. https://www.google.com/search?q=english+language+in+chinese+schools

A school in Brighton has become the first in the UK to make Mandarin a compulsory subject in its curriculum.

Mandarin lessons to become compulsory in Pakistan

Yes, there's a lot of interest in learning Chinese, whether due to trade ties or "know your enemy". Making it compulsory is wrong, IMO, if instituted without public consultation and vote on the issue, or at least until they have taken over the country, through trade or war.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/c...in-schools-in-pakistan-to-meet-demands-402573

According to the institute's Beijing headquarters, 5,200 schools in the United Kingdom now offer classes in Mandarin.

"They (British people) see great opportunities in learning Chinese," Liu Xiaoming, Chinese ambassador to the UK, said recently.

"As China grows, the UK and other countries will need to engage more with China. Naturally, the demand for Chinese speakers will grow."

Kathy Chen, who lives in London with her British husband and 3-year-old son, said she is working hard to make sure her child can speak Mandarin.

"In the future, being able to speak Chinese will be an advantage for him and give him more opportunities in the UK," she said.

The Confucius Institute says its classes on Chinese language and culture are available in 105 countries and regions, covering 86 percent of the world's population, and more than 160 universities in 62 countries have shown "strong interest" in starting Mandarin classes with the institute's help.

On March 15, Serbia's Education and Science Minister Zarko Obradovic and the Chinese Ambassador to Serbia Zhang Wanxue signed a memorandum of cooperation on a new project to start Chinese classes in Serbian elementary and high schools, covering 2,462 pupils.

In July, Swedish officials also announced that all primary schools will offer classes in Mandarin within 10 years, and in September, the Pakistani education authority revealed plans to make Mandarin compulsory in schools for children ages 10 and above.

http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-03/22/content_14885043.htm

In Russia and Syria's case, they are not border neighbors, whilst Russians refer to Syria as Russia's outpost.

English definition of “outpost”
outpost
noun [C] /ˈaʊt.pəʊst/ US /-poʊst/
› a place, especially a small group of buildings or a town, that represents the authority or business interests of a government or company that is far away: a police/military/colonial outpost

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/outpost

 

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Actually Lightscribe i must say, whilst Syria aligns themselves with Russia whilst doing lots of trade and business with them. Then making Russian compulsory is a pretty good idea.

Yes, if the Syrians were allowed to make their voices heard, and voted for it, freely. As it is, with the civil war raging and with the farce election, Russia is forcing it's interests upon the people of Syria, with the Russians clearly stating, Syria is a Russian outpost/colony.

 

[Taranis]

Take note of the amount of Ukranian people that were not able to vote, because of Russia's special forces in certain areas, by looking at the map on the right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_presidential_election,_2014

Take note of the type of countries that consider the elections OK, compared to Syria's, which were, of course, Iran, North Korea and Russia...

Also take note of the Russian attempt to BS some more on the election:




Good, since English is the universal language. They can't seem to get enough of it. https://www.google.com/search?q=english+language+in+chinese+schools



Yes, there's a lot of interest in learning Chinese, whether due to trade ties or "know your enemy". Making it compulsory is wrong, IMO, if instituted without public consultation and vote on the issue, or at least until they have taken over the country, through trade or war.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/c...in-schools-in-pakistan-to-meet-demands-402573



In Russia and Syria's case, they are not border neighbors, whilst Russians refer to Syria as Russia's outpost.

Yes, if the Syrians were allowed to make their voices heard, and voted for it, freely. As it is, with the civil war raging and with the farce election, Russia is forcing it's interests upon the people of Syria, with the Russians clearly stating, Syria is a Russian outpost/colony.

NATO countries (& some pressured by the US) disallowed a vote for expats, then they complain that some inside the country couldn't vote?? Seriously!

Show me where Russia says Syria is a colony?

 

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NATO countries (& some pressured by the US) disallowed a vote for expats, then they complain that some inside the country couldn't vote?? Seriously!

Yes. "They complain that some inside the country couldn't vote", so they obviously decided not to allow the farce.

Show me where Russia says Syria is a colony?

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...ict-Thread?p=12752625&viewfull=1#post12752625

English definition of “outpost”
outpost
noun [C] /ˈaʊt.pəʊst/ US /-poʊst/
› a place, especially a small group of buildings or a town, that represents the authority or business interests of a government or company that is far away: a police/military/colonial outpost

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/outpost

 

[Taranis]

Yes. "They complain that some inside the country couldn't vote", so they obviously decided not to allow the farce.



http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...ict-Thread?p=12752625&viewfull=1#post12752625

You quoted your own post.

LOL

Now where's that story about making English compulsory in SA.

 

[Lightscribe]

You quoted your own post.

LOL

Now where's that story about making English compulsory in SA.

Yep. That's where Russia says Syria is their outpost/colony. Learn to read English.

 

[Taranis]

Obama advisor hints at 'lethal' aid to Syrian opposition
AFP | Colleville-Sur-Mer (France)
June 6, 2014 Last Updated at 23:24 IST
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President Barack Obama's top foreign policy advisor Susan Rice today said Washington was providing "lethal and non-lethal" support to select members of the Syrian opposition, offering more detail than usual on US assistance.

Top Obama administration officials typically decline to say exactly what equipment, arms or ammunition the United States is providing to moderate Syrian opposition forces.

But President Barack Obama said in a major foreign policy speech last week that the United States would "ramp up" support for rebels fighting President Bashar al-Assad.

National Security Advisor Susan Rice said in an interview with CNN while she was traveling with Obama to D-Day 70th anniversary celebrations in Normandy that she was heartbroken about the carnage in Syria's civil war.

"That's why the United States has ramped up its support for the moderate vetted opposition, providing lethal and non-lethal support where we can to support both the civilian opposition and the military opposition."

Officials normally publicly refuse to comment on exactly what they are doing to train opposition groups.

National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden declined to say whether Rice was announcing a new US policy by apparently being more open on US assistance.

"We're not in a position to detail all of our assistance, but as we've made clear, we provide both military and non-military assistance to the opposition," Hayden said.

Signs of a deepening commitment to Syrian rebels come three weeks after Obama met the head of the opposition National Coalition, Ahmad Jarba in Washington last month.

Officially, US support for rebel fighters in Syria has been limited to non-lethal aid amounting to USD 287 million, though the CIA reportedly participates in a secret programme to train moderate rebels in Jordan.

Opposition leaders are particularly dismayed that the United States has balked at providing anti-aircraft missiles to rebels, fearing they could fall into the wrong hands.

The Wall Street Journal has reported that Obama is ready to sign off on training missions for selected rebel groups, to counter the rising power of Al-Qaeda-linked extremists.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...-aid-to-syrian-opposition-114060601309_1.html

 

[falcon786]

Yes, there's a lot of interest in learning Chinese, whether due to trade ties or "know your enemy". Making it compulsory is wrong, IMO, if instituted without public consultation and vote on the issue, or at least until they have taken over the country, through trade or war.

I would imagine Russia has done this already,so fair game then in your book for them to teach Russian in Syria.

 

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I would imagine Russia has done this already,so fair game then in your book for them to teach Russian in Syria.

Yes, if Russia has taken over the country with trade, since they already consider Syria a colony of 3rd Rome.

Muslims must start preparing to bow down to Russia and to become Russian Orthodox.

 

[Taranis]

Yes, if Russia has taken over the country with trade, since they already consider Syria a colony of 3rd Rome.

Muslims must start preparing to bow down to Russia and to become Russian Orthodox.

Do you know how many muslims there are in Russia?

 

[Lightscribe]

Do you know how many muslims there are in Russia?

Around Russia also...

 

[LazyLion]

SYRIA'S ASSAD ANNOUNCES 'GENERAL AMNESTY': STATE TV

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad on Monday announced a "general amnesty" for all crimes committed to date, state television said, without giving further details.

The channel cited Justice Minister Najem al-Ahmad as saying the decree was issued in the context of "social forgiveness, national cohesion calls for coexistence, as the army secures several military victories."

It was not immediately clear who would be included in the amnesty.

Rights groups say the Syrian government is holding tens of thousands of prisoners in jails where torture and other abuses are systematic.

Since the outbreak of an anti-Assad revolt in March 2011, the regime has branded all dissidents -- non-violent and later armed -- as "terrorists", jailing thousands arbitrarily, according to human rights organisations.


Source : Sapa-AFP /mr
Date : 09 Jun 2014 13:10

 

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Info that should also be here.

The fall of Mosul, a largely Sunni Arab city after years of ethnic and sectarian fighting, deals a serious blow to Baghdad's efforts to fight Sunni militants who have regained ground and momentum in Iraq over the past year, taking Falluja and parts of Ramadi in the desert west of Baghdad at the start of the year.

Control there, in Anbar province, as well as around Mosul in the north, would help ISIL and its allies consolidate control along the barely populated frontier with Syria, where they are fighting President Bashar al-Assad, an ally of Shi'ite Iran.

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Ibraheem al-Sumeide'i, a former adviser to Maliki who fell out with him over policy, said the prime minister should make way for a government of national unity: "The fall of Mosul into the hands of ISIL means that ISIL has unified the Iraqi and Syrian front and they have achieved their goal," he said.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...oup-seizes-control-of-the-Iraqi-city-of-Mosul

 

[Unhappy438]

Cross post for snoop dog http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...in-Ukraine?p=12852379&viewfull=1#post12852379

USA funding Syrian rebels to fight ISIS, skip to 7.20 if you dont want to watch it all.

[video=youtube;9Cb3OURdl3g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cb3OURdl3g[/video]

 

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