The Syrian Conflict Thread

OrbitalDawn said:
Yeah, because Republicans refused to even discuss the issue in Congress. Why did Republicans not act, Alan?
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Ah good you concede your earlier statement that Congress denied Obama authorization is BS.
 
rietrot said:
And that logic would be correct. The GOP screwed themselves. There isn't any need to give the Democrats credit.
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GOP makes up the majority of congress, so you're saying things can be blocked by congress without actually having a vote. Thanks that much is obvious to anyone with half a brain. Now please tell Alan to stop with the somersaults.
 
Unhappy438 said:
GOP makes up the majority of congress, so you're saying things can be blocked by congress without actually having a vote. Thanks that much is obvious to anyone with half a brain. Now please tell Alan to stop with the somersaults.
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No if it doesn't get voted on then congress didn't block it .
 
rietrot said:
You are the one deflecting. You claimed they had a vote and rejected it falsely. Now you are shifting the goalpost and making up more bs.
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Exactly. Obama was just falling back on his tired old blame congress shtick that's devastated democrats at the polls but apparently forumites here still fall for lol.

1. Obama bombed Libya without congressional approval.

IT has now been over three months since the first NATO bombs fell on Libya, yet President Obama has failed to request Congressional approval for military action, as required by the War Powers Act of 1973. The legal machinations Mr. Obama has used to justify war without Congressional consent set a troubling precedent that could allow future administrations to wage war at their convenience — free of legislative checks and balances.

When Mr. Obama first announced American military involvement in Libya, he notified Congress within 48 hours, as prescribed by the War Powers Act. This initiated a 60-day period, during which he was required to obtain approval from Congress; if he failed to do so, the act gave him at most 30 days to halt all “hostilities.”

Last Sunday was the 90th day of bombing in Libya, but Mr. Obama — armed with dubious legal opinions — is refusing to stop America’s military engagement there. His White House counsel, Robert F. Bauer, has declared that, despite the War Powers Act, the president can continue the Libya campaign indefinitely without legislative support. This conclusion lacks a solid legal foundation. And by adopting it, the White House has shattered the traditional legal process the executive branch has developed to sustain the rule of law over the past 75 years.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/21/opinion/21Ackerman.html

2. Obama and his staff's views were much the same for Syria. Then he decided to go for a walk.

Obama's National Security Council had believed since last weekend that requiring a vote was not even on the table and that “consultation” in the form of congressional briefings and behind-the-scenes conversation was all that would be needed before a strike. One senior official noted that no key leaders in Congress had specifically requested a vote on military intervention.
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3. Obama didn't even need congressional approval to take action against Assad. He would have 90 days to take out Syrian air defences

The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without a Congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of Congress, overriding a presidential veto.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution

4. As for it only being GOP lawmakers. A list of democrats who didn't commit to supporting military action against Assad at the time. In just the Senate alone.....

Max Baucus
Sherrod Brown
Tammy Baldwin
Mark Begich
Michael Bennet
Richard Blumenthal
Maria Cantwell
Thomas R. Carper
Joe Donnelly
Tom Harkin
Mazie K. Hirono
Heidi Heitkamp
Tim Johnson
Amy Klobuchar
Patrick J. Leahy
Mary L. Landrieu
Edward J. Markey
Barbara A. Mikulski
Patty Murray
Claire McCaskill
Jeff Merkley
Joe Manchin III
Mark Pryor
Jack Reed
John D. Rockefeller IV
Bernard Sanders (I)
Brian Schatz
Jon Tester
Mark Udall
Tom Udall
Ron Wyden
Sheldon Whitehouse
Mark Warner
Elizabeth Warren

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/09/05/us/politics/syria-vote-tracker.html?_r=0
 
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rietrot said:
Maybe educate us on what other tools congress has to make decisions other than voting on legislation.
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If voting is all congress does then why didnt Trumps bill go to a vote after it was presented to congress?


Do you not have cramps yet?
 
Unhappy438 said:
If voting is all congress does then why didnt Trumps bill go to a vote after it was presented to congress?


Do you not have cramps yet?
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Unhappy > I admire your perseverance. I guess I passed the age for this !
 
f2wohf said:
Unhappy > I admire your perseverance. I guess I passed the age for this !
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Dont worry, we have a group of people who think black is white, up is down and Russia is right. You get used to it after a while.
 
Unhappy438 said:
If voting is all congress does then why didnt Trumps bill go to a vote after it was presented to congress?


Do you not have cramps yet?
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About Congress
Through legislative debate and compromise, the U.S. Congress makes laws that influence our daily lives. It holds hearings to inform the legislative process, conducts investigations to oversee the executive branch, and serves as the voice of the people and the states in the federal government.
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https://www.visitthecapitol.gov/about-congress

It really not that difficult.

Edit This is going off topic.
 
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