The Toyota GT86 Thread

Next-gen Toyota 86 reportedly on course with more power

Toyota and Subaru have reportedly started working on their next-generation rear-driven compact sports car twins, and it also appears that they’ll get more power - albeit perhaps not quite as much as fans might have hoped for.

Sources have apparently told The Japan Times that the next generation Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ will debut around 2021, with “improved performance”.

According to the publication, the newcomers will likely have a 2.4-litre engine, although there is no word at this stage on whether it would be turbocharged. The current models are powered by a 147kW 2-litre normally-aspirated flat-four, which has been widely criticised for simply not giving the low-slung, rear-driven coupes the kind of performance they deserve.

Nonetheless these reports of a next-gen Toyobaru tie-up - assuming they’re true - will come as good news for fans who feared that slow sales around the globe would mean the slip-sliding twins, which are still a joy to drive despite their performance deficit, would eventually be killed off.

But a bit more grunt certainly won’t hurt.

https://www.iol.co.za/motoring/indu...reportedly-on-course-with-more-power-14257306
 
Now people are going to have to think of a new excuse why they are sticking with their mommy mobiles. Boot space?
 
It really, really needs to have a bit more power. Something closer to what the GTI has. But I can't help thinking that a turbo may ruin part of the driving dynamics.
 
It really, really needs to have a bit more power. Something closer to what the GTI has. But I can't help thinking that a turbo may ruin part of the driving dynamics.
Yeah when I drove one and put my foot down it felt very meh. I understand that's not what the car is for ,but still. You need a bit of a kick.
 
It really, really needs to have a bit more power. Something closer to what the GTI has. But I can't help thinking that a turbo may ruin part of the driving dynamics.
It's not the turbo that's the problem, it's the power delivery of the boxer. There's a dead zone between 2500-4000 rpm. If they could just address that, it would already make a huge difference.

More power would be welcome, but they still need to sort that out...
 
It's not the turbo that's the problem, it's the power delivery of the boxer. There's a dead zone between 2500-4000 rpm. If they could just address that, it would already make a huge difference.

More power would be welcome, but they still need to sort that out...

Our crap fuel doesn't help either.
 
It's not the turbo that's the problem, it's the power delivery of the boxer. There's a dead zone between 2500-4000 rpm. If they could just address that, it would already make a huge difference.

More power would be welcome, but they still need to sort that out...

Other than the dead zone - turbos screw with how an engine feels. I loved my 86 - rev'd the daylights out of it, which is why it worked for me. I wouldn't want the car to feel "heavy" when accelerating, and I find that often when comparing NA with turbo.
 
Maybe go do some reading on fule octane. Octane is the compression ratio at which the fuel ignitites.

You still haven't answered my question. Are you suggesting that I should answer my own question? Please indulge me with an answer, it's only 2 digits.
 
Used car buying guide: Toyota GT86

The fun-loving rear-wheel-drive coupé is almost identical in every way to its Subaru BRZ sibling and either makes a great used car. We explain why

Reliable, bought new by enthusiasts, cherished by subsequent keepers and supported by owners clubs and specialists, the Toyota GT86 and the almost identical Subaru BRZ make top used buys.

For its greater availability at prices ranging from £8500 to £26,000, plus the possibility of covering older examples with a Toyota used car warranty that’s great value for money, the GT86 gets our vote. There’s no official Subaru warranty but dealers offer something called AutoProtect.

Toyota servicing prices tend to be a little lower, too, and you’re more likely to have a Toyota dealer on your doorstep than a Subaru one.

Used GT86s are available in at least eight flavours ranging from the standard car through Giallo to Club Series Orange Edition. Standard models are well equipped, highlights being sports seats, cruise control and air conditioning. Options were plentiful across the range, the most popular being leather and a sat-nav.

The limited-edition TRD (Toyota Racing Development) of 2013 was an interesting variation with sportier wheels, a body kit and a quad exhaust system but no extra power. At the time of writing, the cheapest example is a 2013/13 with 46k miles for £15,500.

The BRZ was a simpler proposition offered only in SE and SE Lux trims. The only significant difference between the two was leather seats. Such conservative trim designations, more suited to an executive car than a 2+2 sports coupé, reflect the BRZ’s slightly more restrained character compared with the extrovert GT86.

Both models were launched in 2012, powered by the same 197bhp 2.0-litre flat-four engine driving the rear wheels via a limited-slip diff with switchable vehicle stability control to keep things in check. The engine needs to be revved: peak power comes in at 7000rpm and peak torque, all 151lb ft of it, at 6400rpm.

There’s a quick-shifting six-speed manual or a six-speed automatic with steering wheel-mounted manual shift paddles and downshift throttle blipping. The touchy-feely manual is the ideal pairing, which is possibly why the cheapest GT86s are early autos. At least they’re free of the second-gear synchro problems that aff licted early manuals.

The auto is slightly more economical too. In 2014, the GT86 got tyre pressure monitoring and carbonfibre-effect dash trim. A new, entry-level model, the Primo, also arrived, again with an LSD. At the same time, Subaru, still playing it cool, announced the availability of the SuperPro rear lower control arm with camber adjustability. Just what enthusiasts wanted.

Through 2015 and 2016, Toyota piled on more special editions, including the Bianco and Aero, until in 2017 it finally gave buyers what they were looking for: a little more low-end power. These cars start at £20k. However, given the GT86 makes a great weekend and track-day car, a thoroughly modified, 2012 first-gen example with low mileage for £6k less looks like money better spent.

How to get one in your garage:

An expert’s view - Ian Litchfield, Litchfield motors:

“The GT86 and BRZ are rock-solid cars. Early ones had valve timing issues, and second-gear synchros can be notchy, but otherwise they’re trouble-free. The clutch is strong but a forced induction kit will wear it outquickly. Your biggest concern will be whether it’s been a track-day car and if it’s ever been crashed. Are there signs of damage? Are repairs to standard or bodged? A few cars have had power and handling tweaks.

These are okay if they’ve been done properly. Ask for receipts and research the suppliers. We do a handling pack that enhances handling performance without trashing ride comfort (£994). Our performance pack (£1314) features a full Milltek exhaust and an ECU remap to give an extra 25bhp.”

Buyer beware…

Transmission - check second gear engages smoothly. The triple-cone synchros can be slow to work when cold, causing a graunchy change. Some owners recommend pausing in neutral after first gear, then engaging second with a firm shove. Technicians recommend fresh fluid.

Gear - Some owners will have swapped the slidy Michelin Primacy tyres for 225-section rubber on wider rims offering better grip. The Vehicle Stability Control can be partially disengaged but, to switch it off completely, follow the complicated procedure outlined at FT86club.com.

Body - Owner forums are full of tales of misted-up tail-light lenses. Cars still in warranty will be given replacements. Also reported is corrosion around the bottom of the quarter light pillar.

Interior - GT86ownersclub.co.uk lists feedback from its rattles thread. The biggest culprits are the rear seats and trim, parcel shelf and lower dash. Tweeter covers, engine covers and dashboard brackets also come in for criticism. On early cars, a rattle from the gearlever above 4000rpm was a warranty issue.

Also worth knowing:

Toyota charges just £516 for two years’ (or 30,000 miles, whichever comes first) extended warranty cover on a 2012-reg GT86 such as the ‘One we found’. If you prefer, monthly payments are £43. Car hire, hotels and MOT cover are included but the car must be serviced by a Toyota dealer each year.

How much to spend:

£8000-£10,495 - Cheapest GT86s including Cat Ns but also the occasional straight bargain.

£10,500-£12,995 - Clean, early GT86s with full histories plus the occasional Subaru BRZ.

£13,000-£14,995 - First approved used 12/13-reg GT86s with low mileages.

£15,000-£16,995 - Approved used 14/15-reg GT86s, plus more BRZs.

£17,000-£18,995 - Lots of high-spec 15-17-reg GT86s, many of them former PCP cars with low mileages.

£19,000-£20,995 - Very low mileage 16/17-reg GT86s and BRZs.

£21,000 AND ABOVE - Nearly new GT86s and BRZs with under 5k miles, some with delivery mileage.

One we found:

TOYOTA GT86, 2012/62, 36,000 MILES, £12,499 - This private sale manual car has full Toyota service history (last serviced February 2018). Seller claims its two previous owners were a police officer and a doctor, the implication being that it’s never been hoofed and it’s in rude health. Still do your checks, though.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/used-car-buying-guides/used-car-buying-guide-toyota-gt86

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2018 Toyota 86 Review: Is it Better than a Subaru BRZ? - The Fast Lane Car

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Toyota GT86 Club Series Blue Edition launched

Toyota has revealed the GT86 Club Series Blue Edition as the latest in a line of special versions of its Mazda MX-5-rivalling sports car.

The GT86 Club Series Blue Edition is identifiable from its exclusive electric blue paintwork with black trim, as well as new design of 17in, black-painted alloy wheels. Inside, the upholstery is fully black leather and Alcantara.

It’s based on the GT86 Pro, meaning cruise control, automatic headlights, LED headlights and tail-lights and heated front seats all come as standard.

Under the bonnet, it’s unchanged over the standard car, although a Performance Pack is available, adding Sachs-tuned suspension and larger Brembo brakes. This adds £355 to the price of the manual car and £340 to the automatic.

Starting at £29,980, the Club Series Blue Edition is £1945 more than the standard GT86, or £1400 more than a GT86 finished with metallic paint.

Sales begin on 1 June, while first deliveries are expected to take place in the coming weeks.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/toyota-gt86-club-series-blue-edition-launched

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Tweaked Toyota 86 GR Sport derivative unveiled in Japan

In September 2017, Toyota announced that it had plans to create a new “GR” sports car series in Japan. The range, which the automaker said would be gradually rolled out to some markets “outside of Japan as well”, will comprise the flagship GRMN models, the mid-range GR series and the entry-level GR Sport models.

And it’s a version of the latter that you see here. Yes, this is the Toyota 86 GR Sport that has just been unveiled in Japan. But don’t get too excited just yet … there’s no extra power to be found here. Indeed, the naturally aspirated 2,0-litre boxer engine still makes the standard 147 kW, directed to the rear axle via either a six-speed manual or automatic gearbox.

So, what sets this new derivative (which is available in Japan in Crystal White Pearl, Crystal Black Silica or Pure Red) apart? Well, it gains a fairly subtle body kit, which includes a new front lip, chunkier side skirts and a cheekier rear spoiler.

A rear suspension brace has also been fitted, along with a Brembo braking system (complete with red callipers), black-finished 17-inch alloys, a GR-branded (leather-trimmed) steering wheel and a special instrument cluster.

Here’s hoping the brand has plans to give its 86 the full GRMN treatment in the not-too-distant future.

http://www.carmag.co.za/news/tweaked-toyota-86-gr-sport-unveiled-japan/

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2019 Toyota 86 TRD Special Edition: Handles Better, No Extra Power, Just Like We Asked

The beloved Toyota 86 is back for 2019 with a new special edition, this time featuring upgraded suspension, better brakes, grippier tires and of course absolutely no discernible power increase to take advantage of the newfound performance parts.

This is in keeping with a time-honored tradition among Subaru and Toyota product planners of launching better-handling versions of a car that absolutely doesn’t need them.

The new model, the Toyota 86 TRD Special Edition, features SACHS dampers and Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tires along with bigger Brembo brakes. Presumably this comes in response to the approximately six people who think the 86 handles poorly and needs more grip to tame the motor’s power.

And in case I didn’t mention it, that motor continues to offer 205 horsepower when mated to the manual.

In addition to the performance upgrades, the TRD Special Edition comes with visual cues to denote its importance. All 1,418 units will be painted Raven black, which compliments a tricolor TRD graphic and a TRD body kit. It’s unclear whether the body kit will affect high-speed stability and performance, but we do entirely know that it shouldn’t matter because power hasn’t been increased.

The makeover continues inside, where Toyota has added a red stitching, a new steering wheel, some TRD badging and a few other minor things. Major upgrades, like a turbocharger or any power increase, are not available.

But while performance-focused people hoping for a forced-induction 86 may be left out to pasture, Whole Foods shoppers looking for a beefy car that they can buy guilt-free might be in luck. That’s because the so-described purity of the upgraded 86 inspired Toyota to include this line in the press release:

“If USDA Certified Organic had a sportscar category, the 2019 86 TRD Special Edition would be its benchmark.”
I swear to God I didn’t make that up. This is what happens when Toyota tries to have a sense of humor.

And because buyers expect to pay more for organic versions of the product they love, Toyota is charging $32,420 for the TRD Special Edition.

Because I want to make sure we’re clear, I should remind you that the price does not include a power bump from the regular Toyota 86. Perhaps there was no way to turbocharge it without jeopardizing its certified-organic status.

It’s still fun! But just not what everyone wanted.

https://jalopnik.com/2019-toyota-86-trd-special-edition-handles-better-no-1827807814

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'Sharper’ Toyota 86 TRD Special Edition model unveiled

Toyota in the United States has unveiled its new 86 TRD Special Edition, which it says features “an even sharper edge”. But as with the Toyota 86 GR Sport offered in Japan, the naturally aspirated 2,0-litre boxer engine under the bonnet still makes the standard 147 kW.

Exclusive to the North American market, Toyota bills this latest limited-edition model as the “highest performance” version of the 86 thanks to the addition of “some essential new parts”.

These include Sachs dampers that the Japanese automaker says “further sharpen the 86’s steering response and refine vehicle stability”, as well as “extra-large” four-piston front and two-piston rear Brembo brakes.

In addition, the 86 TRD Special Edition gains special 18-inch alloy wheels wrapped in Michelin Pilot Sport 4 rubber (sized 215/40 R18) that “turn up the grip factor while aiding steering reactiveness”.

Offered in a “Raven” finish and accented by a TRD tri-colour graphics and a TRD body kit (which comprises a new front bumper, chunkier side-sills, a new rear bumper with diffuser, and a spoiler), the special edition also boasts a TRD exhaust system with brushed stainless steel tips.

Inside, you’ll find a red-and-black-trimmed steering wheel, a colour scheme repeated on the bucket seats. There’s also a “suede-like” covering for the instrument cluster hood, a “TRD” logo on the passenger side and red seatbelts.

Just 1 418 units will be made, each with a starting price of $32 420 (that’s about R437 000 at the current exchange rate).

http://www.carmag.co.za/news/sharper-toyota-86-trd-special-edition-unveiled/

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