The truth about caps and shaping

Tomasz-London

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Why don't they just shape the P2P traffic in peak periods and leave out the shaping off-peak. This is how it's done in Europe. On the other hand we pay for the bandwidth so no shaping should be involved however a fair use policy should be implemented (Only if and when unlimited bandwidth reaches SA). Utill then.
 

Roman4604

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I was wondering the same thing.

Am I correct to assume that If I am the first user to access a international website, that wile i'm pulling that info across, it gets cache'd automatically here so that when someone else or myself visit it again, that most of it is cached???
With the dynamic nature of modern sites you'd be lucky to cache 30% of web traffic.
 

feo

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So, it can be done.
Of course it can, it's being done right now. Who do you think is seeding all the international torrents? Load a torrent into utorrent and look at how many American and UK flags pop up.
 

DarkDenim

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This traffic shaping crap is the reason I rent a dedicated server. It costs me R599 for iBurst and $49 for the dedicated server. How's this for cool...

:p 8Mbps internet connection :eek:
:p 1TB cap :eek:
:p Completely unshaped :eek:

For R350 I get 285x the bandwith and 8 times the speed :eek:
I know Telkom are the ones to blame but P2P is completely unusable on iBurst :(
 

kilo39

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Some 'problematic' paragraphs:

In bandwidth rich environments – typically Europe, North America and some Asian countries – fast, uncapped broadband connections are commonplace. The cost of bandwidth is generally very affordable, making it possible to provide users with a ‘permanent pipe to the Internet’ rather than a limited amount of bandwidth per month.

Thought broadband was a 'permanent pipe' (so what do we have, improved dialup?)

The most likely reason is that some broadband providers in fact do not provision adequate network capacity for all their subscribers – especially when it comes to the international component. International bandwidth – and national bandwidth for that matter – remains very expensive in South Africa and if a provider is forced to cut costs this is an easy place to save some money.

Oh so we (with our non-permanent pipe) are being penalised for their 'inadequate provision.' (actually nothing to do with capacity.) Yes we pay a fortune but they don't use it to buy bandwidth; no, they prefer to spend it on (drum roll) advertising (or such.)

Now back to the iBurst example. With very low monthly usage limits – starting from as low as 40 MB – a large portion of the iBurst subscriber base will only engage in very basic Internet activities like checking their email, surfing the web and doing Internet banking.

Yup. Inadequate provision equals low usage: not because they choose it but because it is so damn expensive (oh why, because of failure to buy 'adequate capacity.')

With effective caching policies and heavy traffic shaping this ‘lower end subscriber’ will not notice that the company may have very limited international bandwidth resources as their content is either cached locally or prioritized when accessed overseas. This is most likely what companies refer to when saying that they protect the majority of their users against abuse from a small group of subscribers.

Yes our high prices protect 'other users' (who don't really exist cause its so expensive cause of inadequate capacity.) Ergo we must get more users not to use our service (by using our ripoff to market for more.)

These additional funds can come in handy when launching large marketing campaigns resulting in an increase in subscriber numbers, easily making up for the loss of a few high end users.

And with the ever present pressure of higher profits, this trend is not likely to change in South Africa until bandwidth prices are reduced. In countries with low bandwidth costs it is cheap enough to upgrade the network to keep customers happy, but with South Africa’s very high bandwidth prices the decision to try to cut corners on bandwidth provisioning is tempting.


Yes we cannot afford to upgrade infrastructure or in fact provide the things our customers paid for. Why? Because we are greedy little piggies that don't give a damn (but gee we want more customers.)

Whatever. Orwellian drama equals the most expensive internet in the world.
 

Glordit

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to me p2p is not a problem don't realy use it much probably cause I don't have it :) all I need is a larg cap! :D
 

ldmelsa

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Maybe DarkDenim is downloading things to the server (USA) and then downloading it from the server to his PC (SA).

I'm getting confused, already. :p
 

feo

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Yeah, kinda like the torrentflux thing we had here in SA a while back. The server pulls the torrents for you and you pull it from the server once it's done.
 

ldmelsa

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to me p2p is not a problem don't realy use it much probably cause I don't have it :) all I need is a larg cap! :D

The Internet has evolved and things that are commonplace for our overseas counterparts, we have very little experience with. It's sad. :(
 

Browser

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Disappointed.

Personally I wasn’t satisfied with the article, especially when I think that people with no knowledge about such things might read it. It didn't emphasise enough that providers shape their bandwidth because they have taken on more clients than they can handle and then sabotage the connections of those that utilise the service that they’ve paid for. It's similar to having a 1MB line and having 10 clients sharing your 1MB resource while promising them all a 1MB connection, then when one utilises what they’ve paid for they are in some way impeded because they are supposedly “abusing the network”.

It didn’t do enough to point out that P2P isn’t the problem. I’m not saying it should have been a wild rant, but some aggression would have been appropriate in defending P2P as a viable protocol that shouldn’t be disabled or handicapped purely because it’s effective, widely used and user friendly. I don’t use P2P but even so I don’t think any ISP should dictate what protocol you use to transfer your data after you’ve paid to do so. They have no technically valid reason for sabotaging P2P, only claims of users abusing their network that is insufficient to cope with their user base.


“Now back to the iBurst example. With very low monthly usage limits – starting from as low as 40 MB – a large portion of the iBurst subscriber base will only engage in very basic Internet activities like checking their email, surfing the web and doing Internet banking.”

Who came up with that conclusion? I challenge that person to do their email, web browsing and internet banking for a month with a 40MB cap providing day to day bandwidth usage. This is not a rhetorical question or a statement but rather a genuine challenge for that person prove 40MB is enough for those activities as they claim. Unknowledgeable readers would, after reading that, assume it is enough which doesn’t do much to inform those readers.
 

|tera|

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Thanks Browser, It shows I'm not going more insane ;)
 
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