The truth about Openweb

[Zewp]

You clearly have not read what I linked you to. It's no one's word against another's. It's fact. We proved that a person with an entry account and another with a higher tier/Gold account were given the same account details. They even happened to be colleagues at the same company.

And Keoma said it was a mistake, hence your word against his. And don't assume I haven't been following the thread just because I haven't posted in it as much. I've been following this saga pretty much since it started. I'm also still waiting for proof that Openweb resells accounts and that their IS accounts are subject to the star rating system.

Note: I'm not saying you're wrong. You might be right or you might not. What I disagree with is you trying to guilt people into canceling their accounts because of unconfirmed allegations.

This is the real world. Money talks. I'll spend my money where I get the best value for it and currently that's at Openweb. Give me concrete evidence that all your allegations are true and maybe I'll reconsider.

 

[PostmanPot]

And Keoma said it was a mistake, hence your word against his. And don't assume I haven't been following the thread just because I haven't posted in it as much. I've been following this saga pretty much since it started. I'm also still waiting for proof that Openweb resells accounts and that their IS accounts are subject to the star rating system.

Note: I'm not saying you're wrong. You might be right or you might not. What I disagree with is you trying to guilt people into canceling their accounts because of unconfirmed allegations.

This is the real world. Money talks. I'll spend my money where I get the best value for it and currently that's at Openweb.

LOL. No he didn't. Keoma left the forum LONG before this issue was brought up.

You do not have a clue what you are talking about.

The Kido saga which led to MrBEEP leaving and returning as cableguy:

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...read-(Pt2)?p=12259016&viewfull=1#post12259016

Does this mean that my account is been shared ??
I have blanked out my username

ESR are different
Bryanston is me

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Just look at how you were defending Keoma back then - and you still are!

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...read-(Pt2)?p=12272350&viewfull=1#post12272350

MrBeep has clarified this many times in the past. If I remember correctly, those concurrent connections shown on IS are not necessarily people sharing your account, but people sharing your 'pipe' (whatever that is).

MrBeep has always told us the IS tool might not be accurate. For as long as I can remember.

The IS tool is accurate. The SAIX tool is accurate. We have proven it all.

No one can take you seriously anymore.

You know nothing !

 

[Fulcrum29]

The first rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club.
The second rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club.
Third rule of Fight Club: Someone yells stop, goes limp, taps out, the fight is over.
Fourth rule: only two guys to a fight.
Fifth rule: one fight at a time, fellas.
Sixth rule: no shirts, no shoes. Seventh rule: Fights will go on as long as they have to.
And the eighth and final rule: If this is your first night at Fight Club, you have to fight.

- Tyler Durden

 

[Census]

You know nothing ![/QUOTE]

Jon Snow

 

[Zewp]

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Alright mate. Then please answer my question- if your proof is so conclusive, why not take legal action? If you feel you were cheated this way, why just be a forum activist?

Telling me I'm an Openweb defender and that I supposedly know nothing doesn't change the fact that it's your word against Keoma's. You say the IS tool is accurate, he says it isn't. You can continue attacking me instead of my arguments all you want, it doesn't change the fact that none of your 'evidence' is 100% accurate.

You'll have to excuse me if I don't take sides in a fight where neither side has presented me with compelling evidence so far.

 

[Zewp]

LOL. No he didn't. Keoma left the forum LONG before this issue was brought up.

Yes, he did. Did you even read the MyBB Q&A with Keoma that you linked me to?

Either way, I'm out for the night. I'll leave your thread so you can continue your vendetta. I'll not let my neutrality here tarnish your fun further on a friday night.

 

[Census]

Alright mate. Then please answer my question- if your proof is so conclusive, why not take legal action? If you feel you were cheated this way, why just be a forum activist?

Telling me I'm an Openweb defender and that I supposedly know nothing doesn't change the fact that it's your word against Keoma's. You say the IS tool is accurate, he says it isn't. You can continue attacking me instead of my arguments all you want, it doesn't change the fact that none of your 'evidence' is 100% accurate.

You'll have to excuse me if I don't take sides in a fight where neither side has presented me with compelling evidence so far.

Wiki IS and you get the following;
"Internet Solutions provides services to 80 percent of companies listed on the Johannesburg Stock Exchange"
I don't think their stats will be inaccurate. If you are happy with OW, by all means stay with them.
You are free to make your own decisions.

 

[PostmanPot]

Alright mate. Then please answer my question- if your proof is so conclusive, why not take legal action? If you feel you were cheated this way, why just be a forum activist.

Telling me I'm an Openweb defender and that I supposedly know nothing doesn't change the fact that it's your word against Keoma's. You say the IS tool is accurate, he says it isn't. You can continue attacking me instead of my arguments all you want, it doesn't change the fact that none of your 'evidence' is 100% accurate.

You'll have to excuse me if I don't take sides in a fight where neither side has presented me with compelling evidence so far.

For heaven's sakes, why must I take legal action? What on earth is your point? I haven't the time or the inclination. Others can if they want to. Maybe dominic will be keen.

I wasn't really cheated. I've already told you that in order to make up being lied to, I was given one of the 'nice' accounts. I was happy with it, bar one or two issues.

Crikey.

1. It is not my word vs Keoma's. It's facts vs spin used for years.
2. The IS tool is accurate, I am telling you this based on tons of proof you have missed. I have linked you to everything you need in order to give you what you need to understand. I cannot go back and find everything. You have not read anything I've given you.
3. Evidence is 100% accurate, hence it's gotten to this point, hence OW left the forum, hence hundreds of MyBbers have cancelled.

I could not give a damn if you don't believe me. That you cannot read the facts. Carry on with your ignorance, it's expected as a long time OpenWeb defender.

 

[wingnut771]

Maybe i lack the deep skills of finding things i want to see. But i see his explanations as pretty accurate. Human error, system error, and the stats are available. Perhaps you would like to paraphrase something in particular?

A lot of errors there

When I was with OW there wasn't any useful Client Panel that you could check account stats etc.

Must be new.

 

[wingnut771]

Your use of analogies is pretty dismal, big difference between ponzi schemes what openweb provides. Most complainers seem like they come from CT, perhaps IPC links.

ex 4mb Gold Original from Durban

 

[PostmanPot]

Yes, he did. Did you even read the MyBB Q&A with Keoma that you linked me to?

Either way, I'm out for the night. I'll leave your thread so you can continue your vendetta. I'll not let my neutrality here tarnish your fun further on a friday night.

Of course I read it, I was probably one of the first. No he did not. He never commented on account sharing of different tiers, which was proven. Look at the damn question that was asked to him. All these answers are spun verbatim of the past.

You are not being neutral. You think you are, and you are claiming some sort of pride from it. You are being completely and utterly ignorant, as you have been for months and months as an OpenWeb defender.

 

[wingnut771]

Oh i forgot to add that. So i reiterate, take your money and go to Afrihost, after all they are world class.


@Zenbaas - Didnt you know, i love openweb why would i want to go against them :erm:

I agree with you on the MTN thing

 

[wingnut771]

They should try mweb, then they will know how crap a network can be.

+1

 

[Zewp]

Wiki IS and you get the following;
"Internet Solutions provides services to 80 percent of companies listed on the Johannesburg Stock Exchange"
I don't think their stats will be inaccurate. If you are happy with OW, by all means stay with them.
You are free to make your own decisions.

Thank you. It's a pity that not everyone can be as level-headed about it as you. I don't take issue with the allegations thrown Openweb's way. I'd actually really like to know if they are true. What I do take issue with is people trying to guilt others into canceling their accounts when they don't have any conclusive evidence of anything.

I could not give a damn if you don't believe me. Carry on with your ignorance, it's expected as a long time OpenWeb defender.

Alright mate. Continue with your unconfirmed allegations and ad hominem attacks if you want. For every bit of 'evidence' you've provided, Openweb has provided a counter-argument. What I'm saying is that there isn't enough proof to confirm with 100% certainty that either you or OpenWeb are telling the truth, thus I won't pick sides.

Feel free to carry on with your vendetta and continue calling me an Openweb defender for not jumping on the bandwagon with you, though.

 

[PostmanPot]

Thank you. It's a pity that not everyone can be as level-headed about it as you. I don't take issue with the allegations thrown Openweb's way. I'd actually really like to know if they are true. What I do take issue with is people trying to guilt others into canceling their accounts when they don't have any conclusive evidence of anything.

The time for level headedness has come and gone, the time for it was throughout the 'inquisition'. You are now willfully being ignorant when you've been presented with facts. There is no such guilt into cancelling accounts, only guilt based on ethics one would expect from decent and sincere human beings where we have proven lies and deceit. There is no such inconclusive evidence. It's all fact, and people have cancelled because of this. We are leaps ahead of you in terms of knowledge on the subject.

Alright mate. Continue with your unconfirmed allegations and ad hominem attacks if you want. For every bit of 'evidence' you've provided, Openweb has provided a counter-argument. What I'm saying is that there isn't enough proof to confirm with 100% that either you or OpenWeb are telling the truth, thus I won't pick sides.

Feel free to carry on with your vendetta and continue calling me an Openweb defender for not jumping on the bandwagon with you, though.

Allegations are confirmed and proven hence we are where we are. OpenWeb have not provided any counter arguments, only the same spin they have for months/years which does not answer anything. Hence why we said, let us, those knowledgeable, ask the questions. There is mountains of proof and you've missed it. You've denied it for months and continue doing so. When every other denier has turned around, seen the truth and facts, and realised they were wrong. You really need to drop your pride and admit you are wrong. I've tried helping, but you will not read. You rather want to carry on with drama, talk about unconfirmed allegations, ad-hominems, lack of proof, OpenWeb providing counter arguments. You want to talk about neutrality and go on about how proud you are, thinking you are all level headed, correct, open minded, understanding both parties. You are wrong. And you do not know what you are talking about.

OpenWeb isn't even an ISP.

Also the point about them purchasing raw IPC and therefore it doesn't benefit them. Of course it does. They're doubling their income without having to double their capacity purchases. Effectively they were doubling the contention ratio. And contention ratios are how ISPs turn a profit. Now they could have simply doubled their contention ration on the network access server, but they didn't. Why? Because it appears they either had no idea what they were doing or they don't actually manage the system themselves. i.e. they're not actually doing what they claim. Now there's nothing wrong with that, but they should have just been open(web) about it.

And finally, the constant authentication issues make sense now. They advertised single concurrent connection but clearly their accounts allow two. This means they don't control authentication, as they claim. AAA happens on the radius server, which they claim to manage. If they were managing it there'd be no need to send new accounts to people - they'd simply reset the password. But the reason the authentication issue happened was because the other user sharing the account clearly used two concurrent connections, which caused the "sharee" to be knocked off the system. And they cannot reset the password or the other bloke will have authentication issues and they'd create a snowball effect. Much easier to just pair him up with someone new on the system.

No doubt not all accounts were shared. But many were, to allow for this.

I cannot fathom another reason for doing what they did. The problem with what they did is that it is illegal. If this is true, they honestly shouldn't be allowed to do business. I feel very strongly about this. While the competition as it is good for the market in general, trying to compete with unscrupulous ISPs is not a fair game, and they need to be hauled over the coals for this.

Either they were sharing accounts, or IS were.

Simple facts:

OK, let's see if OpenWEB is an actual ISP...

1.) Is openweb an ISPA member? http://ispa.org.za/membership/list-of-members/

NO

2.) Does OpenWEB have an ECNS or ECS license?
https://www.icasa.org.za/Portals/0/Regulations/Licensees/Individual/I-ECS&ECNS-Database_0711.pdf

NO

3.) Does OpenWEB have IP address space, or an ASN (autonomous systems number)
http://www.afrinic.net/services/whois-query

NO

OpenWEB is not an ISP. They simply resell other ISP's network access.

"Unscrupulous" indeed, when the people that are supposedly throttling the internet access is simply the ISP that OpenWEB chose to buy accounts from.

Pot. Kettle. Oh wait. OpenWEB isn't even a kettle, or a pot.

Internet Solutions does not sell "raw" IPC that you can "manage as you see fit".

Conclusion would be that all the OpenWEB responses are FUD.

Reality is that they are not an ISP, and oversell accounts from upstream providers (Internet Solutions).

Will post some details on my blog in a while.

RoDent style.

Stay tuned.

 

[mika1000]

the oldest thread on mybb on account sharing date back to 10 June 2007, which are seven (7) years ago.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...my-uncapped-account?highlight=sharing+account

I have been monitoring my account for months against both Isdsl and SAIX. my usage are 100% correct as verified against a third source. two concurrent sessions. one showing Bloemfontein (me) and the other session Randburg (not me).

when I complained about having a 10kbps download speed for two days and the sharing, I've been told not to waste their time as there's other customers with real problems.

mrbeep had been singing the same old tune all the years - that OW buy IPC and pay for the amount of data and not per account thus making it senseless to share any accounts, but there had been hundreds of posts about accounts being shared. and there's daily new ones.

throttling during the day renders my account useless thus I'm moving on to another ISP and if I'm not happy there I would be moving to another. as I'm footing the bill I simply cannot see why I must pay for an account where I cannot open a webpage during office hours.

 

[PostmanPot]

There are far too many threads. People miss so much important information and facts.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/613600-Are-Openweb-throttling-capped-accounts
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/617783-Throttling-is-ridiculous-ISP
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/623247-New-Home-uncapped-ADSL-products-from-OpenWeb
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...ns-ADSL-duplicate-accounts-shaping-throttling

Zewp, please read! And:

Also the point about them purchasing raw IPC and therefore it doesn't benefit them. Of course it does. They're doubling their income without having to double their capacity purchases. Effectively they were doubling the contention ratio. And contention ratios are how ISPs turn a profit. Now they could have simply doubled their contention ration on the network access server, but they didn't. Why? Because it appears they either had no idea what they were doing or they don't actually manage the system themselves. i.e. they're not actually doing what they claim. Now there's nothing wrong with that, but they should have just been open(web) about it.

Contention at the account level!

And finally, the constant authentication issues make sense now. They advertised single concurrent connection but clearly their accounts allow two. This means they don't control authentication, as they claim. AAA happens on the radius server, which they claim to manage. If they were managing it there'd be no need to send new accounts to people - they'd simply reset the password. But the reason the authentication issue happened was because the other user sharing the account clearly used two concurrent connections, which caused the "sharee" to be knocked off the system. And they cannot reset the password or the other bloke will have authentication issues and they'd create a snowball effect. Much easier to just pair him up with someone new on the system.

No doubt not all accounts were shared. But many were, to allow for this.

I cannot fathom another reason for doing what they did. The problem with what they did is that it is illegal. If this is true, they honestly shouldn't be allowed to do business. I feel very strongly about this. While the competition as it is good for the market in general, trying to compete with unscrupulous ISPs is not a fair game, and they need to be hauled over the coals for this.

Either they were sharing accounts, or IS were.

Simple facts:

OK, let's see if OpenWEB is an actual ISP...

1.) Is openweb an ISPA member? http://ispa.org.za/membership/list-of-members/

NO

2.) Does OpenWEB have an ECNS or ECS license?
https://www.icasa.org.za/Portals/0/Regulations/Licensees/Individual/I-ECS&ECNS-Database_0711.pdf

NO

3.) Does OpenWEB have IP address space, or an ASN (autonomous systems number)
http://www.afrinic.net/services/whois-query

NO

OpenWEB is not an ISP. They simply resell other ISP's network access.

"Unscrupulous" indeed, when the people that are supposedly throttling the internet access is simply the ISP that OpenWEB chose to buy accounts from.

Pot. Kettle. Oh wait. OpenWEB isn't even a kettle, or a pot.

Internet Solutions does not sell "raw" IPC that you can "manage as you see fit".

Conclusion would be that all the OpenWEB responses are FUD.

Reality is that they are not an ISP, and oversell accounts from upstream providers (Internet Solutions).

Will post some details on my blog in a while.

RoDent style.

Stay tuned.

 

[mika1000]

For heaven's sakes, why must I take legal action? What on earth is your point? I haven't the time or the inclination. Others can if they want to. Maybe dominic will be keen.

I wasn't really cheated. I've already told you that in order to make up being lied to, I was given one of the 'nice' accounts. I was happy with it, bar one or two issues.

Crikey.

1. It is not my word vs Keoma's. It's facts vs spin used for years.
2. The IS tool is accurate, I am telling you this based on tons of proof you have missed. I have linked you to everything you need in order to give you what you need to understand. I cannot go back and find everything. You have not read anything I've given you.
3. Evidence is 100% accurate, hence it's gotten to this point, hence OW left the forum, hence hundreds of MyBbers have cancelled.

I could not give a damn if you don't believe me. That you cannot read the facts. Carry on with your ignorance, it's expected as a long time OpenWeb defender.

the oldest thread on mybb on account sharing date back to 10 June 2007, which are seven (7) years ago.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...my-uncapped-account?highlight=sharing+account

I have been monitoring my account for months against both Isdsl and SAIX. my usage are 100% correct as verified against a third source. two concurrent sessions. one showing Bloemfontein (me) and the other session Randburg (not me).

when I complained about having a 10kbps download speed for two days and the sharing, I've been told not to waste their time as there's other customers with real problems.

mrbeep had been singing the same old tune all the years - that OW buy IPC and pay for the amount of data and not per account thus making it senseless to share any accounts, but there had been hundreds of posts about accounts being shared. and there's daily new ones.

throttling during the day renders my account useless thus I'm moving on to another ISP and if I'm not happy there I would be moving to another. as I'm footing the bill I simply cannot see why I must pay for an account where I cannot open a webpage during office hours.

 

[Necuno]

the oldest thread on mybb on account sharing date back to 10 June 2007, which are seven (7) years ago.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...my-uncapped-account?highlight=sharing+account

I have been monitoring my account for months against both Isdsl and SAIX. my usage are 100% correct as verified against a third source. two concurrent sessions. one showing Bloemfontein (me) and the other session Randburg (not me).

when I complained about having a 10kbps download speed for two days and the sharing, I've been told not to waste their time as there's other customers with real problems.

mrbeep had been singing the same old tune all the years - that OW buy IPC and pay for the amount of data and not per account thus making it senseless to share any accounts, but there had been hundreds of posts about accounts being shared. and there's daily new ones.

throttling during the day renders my account useless thus I'm moving on to another ISP and if I'm not happy there I would be moving to another. as I'm footing the bill I simply cannot see why I must pay for an account where I cannot open a webpage during office hours.

here you go

Posting it here because I want a formal answer.
I have a uncapped 512kb account from OpenWeb after the 1024k uncapped
MyADSL special stopped.
Been happy with it, no problems. I also like to check my usage every now and
then to see how much I downloaded.

This morning I log in, and I see two sessions - mine and another from Doornfontein.

How is that possible? When I had the myADSL special I knew that it wasnt
exclusive access, but yet I end up sharing an account again that I am
paying the full price for?

I need an explanation. I emailed you support team as well, but thought
other people with uncapped Openweb should check out users.isdsl.net
as well. For those who are going to say its pointless asking about sharing an
uncapped account, rather dont. That is not what this post is about.

All you need is to make a quote from a closed thread is the name (Sakkie) and the post number (1076470) and then just slap it all together. The post number you can of course get from clicking on the number on the right of the post on the top...

[quote="Sakkie, post: 1076470"]

 

[Zewp]

snippity snippity snip

Haha, jesus h christ mate. You just keep putting words in my mouth. Again, I'm not denying anything. I'm saying there isn't enough conclusive evidence for any of the allegations, either from you or Openweb.

But 'k. I'm wrong and you are completely right. I am so wrong for not choosing sides in this argument. I am so so sorry. I've read through the evidence you've presented and even though none of it proves with 100% certainty that the allegations are true, the allegations are 100% true and cannot be contested at all. Some blogger saying something also clearly means it is definitely true.

I believe you. Happy now?