The UCT - Cecil John Rhodes Statue Thread

[etienne_marais]

[video]https://youtu.be/UVGRaGLPgPI[/video]

 

[Brawler]

I wonder how many of these protesters are actually students. I know there are many but I'm pretty sure a lot of them are not and are just catching on sheet as per usual.

 

[AntiGanda]

I wonder how many of these protesters are actually students. I know there are many but I'm pretty sure a lot of them are not and are just catching on sheet as per usual.

It's hard to tell because some are old (30+) and they are acting with staff as well.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

I wonder how many of these protesters are actually students. I know there are many but I'm pretty sure a lot of them are not and are just catching on sheet as per usual.

Claimed in the paper today the EFF "infiltrated" the protest when the statue was moved and many of them whipping the statue/throwing paint over it were EFF members.

 

[Willie Trombone]

So they took it down for safekeeping. Probably the real reason - otherwise it would just get trashed.

 

[AthenianOwl]

Those clowns have been working hard to reinforce negative stereotypes about themselves. Destroy that, destroy this and burn everything. It achieves nothing! They will still be poor and fking dumb in 10 years later.

 

[Vrotappel]

Those clowns have been working hard to reinforce negative stereotypes about themselves. Destroy that, destroy this and burn everything. It achieves nothing! They will still be poor and fking dumb in 10 years later.

1000 years later.

 

[Galactica]

Listen up! The European is not your friend

Assata Olugbala Shakur writes to UCT students

I have been watching with great interest your revolution unfolding in Cape Town.

My soul, the soul of the Afrikan, longs to be with you at your time of emancipation from a legacy of slavery at the hands of the white man.

My name is Assata Olugbala Shakur. I am an escaped slave from the 20th century. Because of government persecution, I was left with no other choice than to flee from the political repression, racism and violence that dominate the US government’s policy towards people of colour.

I am a former political prisoner and have been living in exile in Cuba since 1984. I have been a political activist for most of my life and although the US government has done everything in its power to criminalise me, I am not a criminal, nor have I ever been one.

In the 1960s, I participated in various struggles: the black liberation movement, the student rights movement and the movement to end the war in Vietnam.

I joined the Black Panther Party. By 1969, the Black Panther Party had become the number one organisation targeted by the FBI’s Cointelpro (counterintelligence programme) because the Black Panthers demanded the total liberation of black people.

J Edgar Hoover called it the “greatest threat to the internal security of the country”, and vowed to destroy it, its leaders and activists.

I have one message for you and your comrades. Do not be naive about the mind of the white person. It has been taught since birth to believe in its superiority and to believe that the Afrikan child must labour and toil so wealth and power can drop into their hands like rain from heaven.

The European is not your friend. The liberal European might pretend to be your friend and might even contrive to denigrate themselves in front of you to show they belong among Afrikans.

When the powerful turn their guns on you, that person will leave you behind.

Throughout history, the person of colour has had his back whipped by the white man. Our Afrikan hearts have been penetrated by white bullets.

Our souls have been sliced by their spears. In Sharpeville, your brothers were mowed down by the white man, the same white man who holds you in captivity now in his game of educational mind colonisation.

The longer you and your comrades think about it, the closer you will come to the realisation that for too long, the Afrikan has not fought back.

For centuries, we have endured beatings only to never raise our fists.

We remain in subjugation, talking, listening, debating, but nothing changes. The only thing left to do is to fight centuries of fire with fire.

If we are unwilling to riot, unwilling to show our anger by damaging the property of the white man, and unwilling to blow up signs of colonial terror without the permission of the white man, then we remain plantation slaves shovelling pig **** while the white masters sip tea.

They promise freedom “one day” and say it must “come naturally”. It never does. It will come when the Afrikan slave uses force to break the shackles and obtain emancipation.

I am sure I do not have to be this explicit, but I will be in case I have not made myself clear. You and your comrades have hands. Use them. Pull down the statue.

If it doesn’t come down, think of something else.

All power to the people!

Shakur is an African-American activist

Link.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Shakur is a completely unhinged retard

 

[Spizz]

Link.

Lol. Another clueless Yank who thinks the Iluminati are after him. And the fscking idiot doesn't seem to realise that in SA, it's the oh so entitled black politicians who are sipping the tea while the masses shovel pig schyt and say thanks to them by re-electing them term after term.

It is telling how he fails to realise that the power is already in the hands of the black man in SA and they now actually have the opportunity to use it to empower themselves. Empowering yourself of course means education and being able to compete in a competitive world.

But all we have are strikes, poverty and failing infrastructure as the opportunity to grow flies by rather quickly and the country threatens to explode as the people concern themselves with petty racism.

But I guess none of that matters to the stupid American man. There's a statue of a white guy that needs tearing down.

 

[Patrick_Hockstetter]

Are these statue defacers born frees by any chance?

It would be interesting if they were.

 

[dualmeister]

OK so it seems SA is not the only anti-statuers http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/06/edward-snowden-statue-bust-brooklyn-park-covered

 

[Seriously]

Link.

What a lot of kark and I am sure many idiots lap it up like ice cream in the desert and even bigger idiots post this drivel all over the internet to suss their own minds and to console themselves for their own personal failures.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/What-White-Privilege-20150411

Very true - although I'm not sure there were any white leaders in the RMF movement, besides that clown Josh Nott.

No. The lot who are in fact the true benefactors of "white privilege" are those awkwardly white dudes in charge of the #RhodesMustFall movement and similar societies and movements throughout South Africa. They all went to the most prestigious private schools in Cape Town, Durban and Johannesburg (which my father couldn't afford sending me to) and they type up their (again) awkward self-loathing racial rhetoric on their MacBooks and chat loudly about how much they care about the poor on their iPhones. While they damn me and others like me for accidentally being born white and having whatever we have because my parents sweat blood to give me what they can. They damn all white people as privileged while simultaneously shouting like a crazed person at anyone who dares generalise. They tell all whites to do some introspection, while their own motivations remain impenetrable and opaque to themselves They pull themselves up by clawing at and stepping on those like them in an rabid effort to hold themselves superior to the rest.

I dare you to take your vitriolic arguments to their logical conclusion: in creating this concept of "white privilege" you have done no more and no less than self-describe. You are the textbook definition of "white privilege"

You, white guy wearing a black power t-shirt and sipping on a cafe latte, you are the arch Pharisaical hypocrite.

http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/What-White-Privilege-20150411

 

[Galactica]

Kruger statue painted again by mob.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Kruger statue painted again by mob.

I'm sure it'll get old even to the small minded. Tbh I'm surprised it even elicited a reaction in here. I've never been fond of these statues myself. Heck, as a 13 year old learning this stuff in history, I might even have approved for different reasons. YAWN

 

[Flanders]

Shakur is a completely unhinged retard

Yup. Unhinged, criminal retard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assata_Shakur

 

[zippy]

EFF seem to have a lot in common with Islamic State. IS also like destroying historical statues etc that don't fit in with their world view

 

[Nicodeamus]

EFF seem to have a lot in common with Islamic State. IS also like destroying historical statues etc that don't fit in with their world view

Which is really a screwed view of reality as well. If it weren't for Rhodes, or any colonialist for that matter, they still would be running around barefoot with a piece of leather on their crotches.

 

[zippy]

Which is really a screwed view of reality as well. If it weren't for Rhodes, or any colonialist for that matter, they still would be running around barefoot with a piece of leather on their crotches.

While I don't agree with the removal of these statues, I also don't agree that Africans will still be "running around barefoot" as you put it. That is a racist attitude which plays into the hands of the likes of the EFF. It can just as easily be argued that South Africa would not be in the sorry state it is now if it men like Rhodes where unsuccessful.