The weight loss thread

kolaval said:
Interesting thing.
I got tirzepatide for my wife.
Admittedly this video finally convinced me.
The idea was to get her to lose weight which might make her feel better and thus want to be healthier.


She takes the first dose on a Wednesday 5 Nov and I'm curious if she feels anything.
By Friday Nov 7 she's still...meh, so I volunteer to take a shot "because maybe this stuff is nonsense".
Bloody hell.
If I'm not consciously thinking about food I don't even realize my stomach is probably screaming with huger.
My weight always fluctuates between 94 and 96 and I was 84.5 this morning.
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it works...

been on it since June, and 42kg down
 
@BBSA gooi your objection. And not the "people have died from ozempic" nonsense plz. Millions of dosages have been used.
 
kolaval said:
@BBSA gooi your objection. And not the "people have died from ozempic" nonsense plz. Millions of dosages have been used.
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I think it’s being pushed far too easily while the real issue, fixing diet and lifestyle, gets ignored. If you sort out what you eat and how you live, you benefit for the rest of your life. A jab might lower appetite, but it doesn’t fix the inflammation, the cravings, or the long-term health problems caused by a bad diet.

My worry is that once medication becomes the easy option, most people won’t bother changing their habits at all. Society has normalised over-medication to the point where saying “let’s fix the root cause first” is treated like a controversial statement. I just don’t think relying on a weekly injection without changing anything else is real health, it’s a shortcut that keeps people dependent instead of genuinely improving their lives.
 
BBSA said:
I think it’s being pushed far too easily while the real issue, fixing diet and lifestyle, gets ignored. If you sort out what you eat and how you live, you benefit for the rest of your life. A jab might lower appetite, but it doesn’t fix the inflammation, the cravings, or the long-term health problems caused by a bad diet.

My worry is that once medication becomes the easy option, most people won’t bother changing their habits at all. Society has normalised over-medication to the point where saying “let’s fix the root cause first” is treated like a controversial statement. I just don’t think relying on a weekly injection without changing anything else is real health, it’s a shortcut that keeps people dependent instead of genuinely improving their lives.
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Sorry, I disagree totally with you.
Sometimes, diet and lifestyle are ineffective. Ask me how I know.

The weekly injection DOES change the underlying things as well. It weans you off food addiction, kills off bad habits, and also makes it so much easier to actually live a more healthy lifestyle. Ever tried running or cycling at 130kg? It's a LOT safer, easier and more effective at say 100kg. Again, ask me how I know.

It's not the answer to everything, but it is an answer to a lot of problems.
 
the thread’s monthly sermon from the Church of Gymology.


You guys talk like you’ve cracked the entire code of human biology because you once read an Andrew Huberman quote on Instagram. I genuinely get that gym and discipline transformed your life, and that’s great really. I’m not knocking what works for you. But here’s the part that always gets lost in these discussions:
Not everyone’s body plays by the same rules.
Some of us have systems that don’t respond to willpower alone, insulin resistance, GLP-1 issues, hormonal loops stuck in the wrong gear. For people like that, lifestyle changes don’t even register until the biology is stabilised.
That’s literally why things like Mounjaro exist. And honestly?It sometimes feels like you don’t actually want people to get healthy unless they do it your way. Because if modern medicine helps someone achieve what you white-knuckled your way through, it threatens that identity you’ve built around being ‘the disciplined guy’. I’m not choosing the ‘easy path’.
I’m choosing the one that finally works for my body — while still putting in the effort, still changing how I eat, still fixing my habits.

I’m using every tool available to improve my health.
You’re using judgment to protect your ego.

And here’s the kicker:
If your advice worked universally, this forum wouldn’t be 34 pages deep with people desperately trying different things just to get their lives back.
 
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I'll add that if it was that easy to just change your lifestyle, obesity and diabetes would not be such a problem.
If you can drink vitamins every day due to not getting enough from your diet you can inject once a week.
Yes, we do not know what long term effects there are but we do know the long term effects of obesity.
 
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The wife's happier and more confident with herself, she's lost cm but not many kgs. She's had to buy smaller pants.
I'll probably stop soon since I'm fairly active (CF or running almost every day).
I tell everyone that notice the weight loss.
 
Sinbad said:
Sorry, I disagree totally with you.
Sometimes, diet and lifestyle are ineffective. Ask me how I know.

The weekly injection DOES change the underlying things as well. It weans you off food addiction, kills off bad habits, and also makes it so much easier to actually live a more healthy lifestyle. Ever tried running or cycling at 130kg? It's a LOT safer, easier and more effective at say 100kg. Again, ask me how I know.

It's not the answer to everything, but it is an answer to a lot of problems.
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I guess most people would agree with you, and that is why many consume a handful of pills every day as they get older.
 
kolaval said:
The wife's happier and more confident with herself, she's lost cm but not many kgs. She's had to buy smaller pants.
I'll probably stop soon since I'm fairly active (CF or running almost every day).
I tell everyone that notice the weight loss.
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Same I lost about 12kg last year but since then stuck there but using L size pants/shorts now so happiness overall. I doubt if I will get rid of belly. Not exactly skinny fat at 88kg but belly fat seems the last one to go, if at all.
 
BBSA said:
I think it’s being pushed far too easily while the real issue, fixing diet and lifestyle, gets ignored. If you sort out what you eat and how you live, you benefit for the rest of your life. A jab might lower appetite, but it doesn’t fix the inflammation, the cravings, or the long-term health problems caused by a bad diet.

My worry is that once medication becomes the easy option, most people won’t bother changing their habits at all. Society has normalised over-medication to the point where saying “let’s fix the root cause first” is treated like a controversial statement. I just don’t think relying on a weekly injection without changing anything else is real health, it’s a shortcut that keeps people dependent instead of genuinely improving their lives.
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I agree and some people don't have the patience but it seems impatient people have money so it kinda works.

Despite pursuing a active lifestyle and decent diet (no excesses but it could definitely improve), I am stuck on 88kg (lost 12kg last year) this entire year and I am sure I would have opted for weight loss pills by now were it not my continuous presence in Januworry thread.

I felt a sense of accomplishment when I reached 88kg as I earned it by strict discipline for almost a year. But 78 kg target seems unrealistic as of now.

:cool:
 
BBSA said:
I guess most people would agree with you, and that is why many consume a handful of pills every day as they get older.
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I'm guessing your diet is on point that you don't need vitamins.
Never Panado for headache.
No glasses for sight.
No shoes for duwweltjies.
They all make it too easy.
I'm joking of course but I've seen fit people balloon having to juggle work, little ones etc.
The fact that we can take this, with very little side effect, and have a massive benefit, is great.
 
I must say since losing the 15KGs and counting since April I have got loads of "what are you doing comments" I told my wife I think its because of potential meds being used Ozempic etc. I def believe they have their place I went the lifestyle/diet overall and im happier for it but it wont work for all.

what is interesting to note from some of the above comments the first 2-3 weeks of a calorie deficit a proper one is the hardest part of this journey once your body gets used to that its MUCH easier but you need to push through that point

On that note here is my update 15.4kg since April busy with a lean bulk at the moment as I am floating around low teen PBF ATM:

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kolaval said:
I'm guessing your diet is on point that you don't need vitamins.
Never Panado for headache.
No glasses for sight.
No shoes for duwweltjies.
They all make it too easy.
I'm joking of course but I've seen fit people balloon having to juggle work, little ones etc.
The fact that we can take this, with very little side effect, and have a massive benefit, is great.
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I prefer to focus on the root cause, although I understand that many people may not wish to pursue that path.
 
BBSA said:
I prefer to focus on the root cause, although I understand that many people may not wish to pursue that path.
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That is because you have a misunderstanding of what it does for people and how their relationship with food changes.

It's not just about feeling full you seek out better options.
 
BBSA said:
Do you think people cannot seek out better options without an injection?
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Listen mate if you have all the answers for weight loss, you should start a service where you manage it for people, guide them etc, with guarantees. You'll be able to retire a zillionaire.

Otherwise, go and keyboard-warrior somewhere you're needed.
 
BBSA said:
I prefer to focus on the root cause, although I understand that many people may not wish to pursue that path.
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Focusing on the root cause is great, honestly, no one here is arguing against that.
The difference is: some of us actually understand that the ‘root cause’ isn’t always something you can fix with kale, jogging, and moral philosophy.

For plenty of people, the root cause isn’t diet.
It’s insulin resistance.
It’s GLP-1 dysfunction.
It’s hormonal signalling issues.
It’s metabolic pathways that are fundamentally out of sync.
Those root causes don’t magically correct themselves because someone decided to ‘try harder’.

I’m fixing my root cause with diet, lifestyle and medication. It’s not about avoiding effort or skipping the “hard path”. Trust me, nobody wakes up excited to jab themselves every week. I’m doing my diet changes, I’m fixing habits, I’m actually improving my health. The med just helps my body respond properly. Different people, different bodies, different approaches.
The end goal is still the same: get healthier and stay that way
 
BouncyNinja said:
Focusing on the root cause is great, honestly, no one here is arguing against that.
The difference is: some of us actually understand that the ‘root cause’ isn’t always something you can fix with kale, jogging, and moral philosophy.

For plenty of people, the root cause isn’t diet.
It’s insulin resistance.
It’s GLP-1 dysfunction.
It’s hormonal signalling issues.
It’s metabolic pathways that are fundamentally out of sync.
Those root causes don’t magically correct themselves because someone decided to ‘try harder’.

I’m fixing my root cause with diet, lifestyle and medication. It’s not about avoiding effort or skipping the “hard path”. Trust me, nobody wakes up excited to jab themselves every week. I’m doing my diet changes, I’m fixing habits, I’m actually improving my health. The med just helps my body respond properly. Different people, different bodies, different approaches.
The end goal is still the same: get healthier and stay that way
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I’m not saying there’s never a place for meds. Some people genuinely need that extra tool, and if you’re fixing your habits and using medication, that’s a solid approach.

My point is just that for most people, the metabolic issues you’re mentioning, insulin resistance, GLP-1 dysfunction, appetite signalling, are themselves the result of years of bad diet and ultra-processed food. They don’t come out of nowhere. And for a lot of us, those things do start correcting themselves when we change what we eat, reduce the carbs, cut the junk, and lower inflammation.

I’m not judging anyone who chooses medication. I just don’t think it should be the default first step, because once you make that the easy option, most people won’t even try to fix the lifestyle part. And long-term health still comes from getting the basics right, not from depending on a weekly injection forever. Different approaches, sure, but lifestyle should still be the foundation.
 
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