The Zimbabwe 2013 Elections Thread

DreamKing said:
I am fine for them when US invades any country (including China and Russia) for their own benefits, but don't tell me their action is justifiable because they are for the democracy and liberation of the people.

for zim case, is that at least they should be sanction against any country who is supporting zim? (like Iran)
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Why bother with some shyte hole in africa bro, rather sanction iran. The americans support bahrain and the saudis who are not exactly up there with the best human rights record. Iran have been sanctioned since the revolution and hostage issue. So they can't claim the nuclear issue is the reason they are sanctioning iran every other year it seems. What amazes me is how the americans dictate who get sanctioned.

America does not get involved in anything unless it has to do with their agenda. They can't claim they go into wars because they want humans rights and democracy,while gitmo basically has no human rights and democracy entitles every person to a fair trial. They also are best buddies with bahrain and the saudis so claiming they go to war to liberate people is a load of BS.

Having said all that the AU/UN are the ones who could deal with mugabe but the AU are corrupt and the UN don't seem to really push the zim issue, they certainly focus on israel though while mugabe destroyed zimbabwe over night. That is why i say there are no good guys in power. Good guys would have sent an army into zim and made sure elections were fair, if mugabe told them hey piss off they would secure him and all his war vets from pressuring people. Now that is a good guy. Doing something for a country for no reason other than helping the people.
 
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DreamKing said:
I really don't understand what you are talking about. why you can't just give me "one country" (from your "list")?
I can't find it from your "list".
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How about.....

Venezuela
Iran
Russia
Kazakhstan
Nigeria
Sudan
Syria
Colombia
Congo

All countries with poor governments, terrible human rights, Oil, etc.

But the US has never invaded any of them.
 
killadoob said:
Why bother with some shyte hole in africa bro, rather sanction iran. The americans support bahrain and the saudis who are not exactly up there with the best human rights record. Iran have been sanctioned since the revolution and hostage issue. So they can't claim the nuclear issue is the reason they are sanctioning iran every other year it seems. What amazes me is how the americans dictate who get sanctioned.

America does not get involved in anything unless it has to do with their agenda. They can't claim they go into wars because they want humans rights and democracy,while gitmo basically has no human rights and democracy entitles every person to a fair trial. They also are best buddies with bahrain and the saudis so claiming they go to war to liberate people is a load of BS.

Having said all that the AU/UN are the ones who could deal with mugabe but the AU are corrupt and the UN don't seem to really push the zim issue, they certainly focus on israel though while mugabe destroyed zimbabwe over night. That is why i say there are no good guys in power. Good guys would have sent an army into zim and made sure elections were fair, if mugabe told them hey piss off they would secure him and all his war vets from pressuring people. Now that is a good guy. Doing something for a country for no reason other than helping the people.
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so true.
 
Garyvdh said:
How about.....

Venezuela x
Iran x
Russia x
Kazakhstan x
Nigeria x
Sudan
Syria
Colombia x
Congo

All countries with poor governments, terrible human rights, Oil, etc.

But the US has never invaded any of them.
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except Sudan, Syria and Congo. I don't agree.

the reason of no invasion occurred of those countries is because their reserves are too low. not worth it. (under 20)
 
DreamKing said:
except Sudan, Syria and Congo. I don't agree.

the reason of no invasion occurred of those countries is because their reserves are too low. not worth it. (under 20)
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Rubbish. The reason the US gets involved in any country is for their own long term benefit and security.
Regardless of Oil.
And the reason why the US does NOT get involved is the same, for their own reasons.

If what you are saying about Oil is true, then the US would have taken control of Afghan and Iraqi oil reserves.
But they don't have any control over them.
 
Garyvdh said:
Rubbish. The reason the US gets involved in any country is for their own long term benefit and security.
Regardless of Oil.
And the reason why the US does NOT get involved is the same, for their own reasons.
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I said Oil / Money => benefits

thank you for agreeing with me. :)

Garyvdh said:
If what you are saying about Oil is true, then the US would have taken control of Afghan and Iraqi oil reserves.
But they don't have any control over them.
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Afghanistan? Oli???????

Iraq =>
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/En...-with-Iraq-is-Chinas-gain/UPI-53711364583572/

may this help you?
 
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DreamKing said:
I said Oil / Money => benefits

thank you for agreeing with me. :)
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Yes, but you made it sound like the US is obligated to get involved in Zimbabwe and every other country.
They are not.
They will only get involved where it is directly relevant to them.
 
Garyvdh said:
How about.....

Venezuela
Iran
Russia
Kazakhstan
Nigeria
Sudan
Syria
Colombia
Congo

All countries with poor governments, terrible human rights, Oil, etc.

But the US has never invaded any of them.
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How come you leave out saudi arabia?

Well fighting in africa means being sucked into a regional war gary, not a great plan when in all honesty the governments are so corrupt you can't actually build the infrastructure needed to get the resources. So let's ignore africa for the most part as rich in resources as it is, it is also rich in corruption and poverty. Not great for productivity.

You cannot really invaded a SA country as once again you then get sucked into a regional war without friends, for now the SA countries are not doing that badly compared to europe they are doing well, could be doing better no doubt but you cannot go invade a SA country and expect the rest of the SA countries to accept it so rule out SA.

Invade russia, are you kidding me LOL. Syria is currently being armed by american weapons via qatar and saudi arabia and reports claim they have been arming the rebels and they will be possibly supplying arms to syrian fighters but syria isn't about oil, it is a saudi thing not an american thing.

Iran they have been sanctioned for so many decades but the leadership has refused to bow to the US. You leave out saudi arabia gary why? You include russia and iran but leave out the the saudi's. Why?
 
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DreamKing said:
No, I ddin't. I just said US is hypocrisy. :)
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What an utterly pointless discussion... :wtf:

You have completely and utterly failed to show how the US is hypocritical.

And let's be honest, even IF they HAD gotten involved, you would now be crapping on them for interfering.

You anti-us goons are the real hypocritical ones.
 
Mugabe foes will not recognise poll result

Zimbabwe's Movement for Democratic Change on Friday said it would not recognise the results of disputed elections that look set to hand President Robert Mugabe a landslide victory.

"We resolved to reject the election and its consequences, which include the government that will result," spokesman Douglas Mwonzora told AFP after a meeting of senior party leaders.


Source : Sapa-AFP /nsm
Date : 02 Aug 2013 16:01
 
Garyvdh said:
What an utterly pointless discussion... :wtf:

You have completely and utterly failed to show how the US is hypocritical.

And let's be honest, even IF they HAD gotten involved, you would now be crapping on them for interfering.

You anti-us goons are the real hypocritical ones.
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Gary, democracy and human rights. where are those applied at gitmo? where are human rights applied with drone strikes? killing with impunity, two of their best mates have horrific human rights records. They support and even have a base in bahrain, right there is hypocrisy. The US lie about democracy and human rights to make it seem like they are doing good but they do not apply those basic principles to every situation do they? A base in bahrain? A country that has made protesting illegal. Rules the majority with an iron fist. Common anti or pro US they are hypocrites who talk nonsense to justify wars. That is something i think any pro or anti american person can agree on.

this is about zim though so let's get back on topic.
 
/Came to read news on Zim election

Saw anti US BS propaganda trolling in full force again.

/Leaves

(Will rather go buy a newspaper.)
 
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