The Zimbabwe Elections 2023 thread

The Liberation Parties in the SADC region are a closed club.
They cannot have one fall, for if one falls, they all fall.








If you are unaware, the Liberation Parties are those who "liberated" their countries and now hold onto power.
MPLA in Angola
SWAPO in Nam
ANC in SA
ZANU~PF in Zim
Frelimo in Moz...
 

And so they legitimize the elections.
You'd think the SA government which is the most powerful country in the region would condemn the election shenanigans in Zimbabwe.... But nope, liberation movements always back each other until the very end, no matter what...

There is no way the ANC condemns Zim. That would be like a brother stabbing another in the back.
 
There is no way the ANC condemns Zim. That would be like a brother stabbing another in the back.
The irony and dishonesty here is interesting. Back in the 80's, I kid you not, I went to a talk where an upstart fiery NUM leader called Cyril Ramaphosa was holding forth. This cheeky fellow berated, and was negative about, the ZANU PF regime saying they were no friends of the trade unions (the opposition MDC was trade union based).

He's done a 180, one amongst many.
 
That's one thing I will never understand, A stadium full of joyous Zimbabweans yet no one voted for Zanu. It seems like everyone is opposed to the Zanu-pf rule except for the Zimbabweans, because looking at scenes like that you really don't understand why does it seem impossible that Zanu can win an election.
It makes one wonder about people in general though, people are voting for zanu without a doubt but zanu is the reason that country is proper fscked right now... So why are they still voting for zanu?
 
It makes one wonder about people in general though, people are voting for zanu without a doubt but zanu is the reason that country is proper fscked right now... So why are they still voting for zanu?

For some of the same reasons as why several other corrupt governments keep getting elected.

1. **Limited Alternatives:** Lack of viable alternative parties or leaders who can effectively challenge the incumbent government.

2. **Media Control:** The government controls or heavily influences the media, disseminating propaganda that manipulates public opinion and suppresses criticism.

3. **Fear and Intimidation:** The government might use fear, intimidation, or violence to suppress opposition and coerce people into voting for them.

4. **Voter Fraud and Election Rigging:** The government could engage in election fraud, altering the true results to maintain power.

5. **Cultural or Historical Loyalties:** Deep-rooted cultural or historical loyalties to a party or ideology, which might lead people to continue supporting the government despite negative outcomes.

6. **Clientelism and Patronage:** The government might offer material benefits, jobs, or services to individuals or groups in exchange for their votes.

7. **Educational Barriers:** A lack of education and critical thinking skills among the population, making it easier for the government to manipulate them.

8. **Fear of Change:** A fear of the unknown or potential instability that might come with a change in government.

9. **Social Cohesion and Unity:** A perception that the existing government represents a particular social, ethnic, or religious group, fostering unity and cohesion within that group.

10. **International Influence:** Foreign influence or intervention supporting the incumbent government, either through direct support or by influencing public opinion.

11. **Economic Dependence:** Economic policies or programs that make a significant portion of the population dependent on the government for their livelihood, creating a vested interest in the government's continuity.

12. **Ineffectiveness of Opposition:** Opposition parties might be fragmented, weak, or ineffective, failing to present a credible alternative to the incumbent government.

13. **Psychological Factors:** Cognitive dissonance or sunk cost fallacy, where voters might find it psychologically uncomfortable to admit that their long-held beliefs or past choices were mistaken.

14. **Social Pressure:** Social pressure and norms that discourage people from voting against the government, possibly due to family, community, or societal expectations.
 
Elections done and dusted, now the protests start, in South Africa, not Zimbabwe.

 
That's one thing I will never understand, A stadium full of joyous Zimbabweans yet no one voted for Zanu. It seems like everyone is opposed to the Zanu-pf rule except for the Zimbabweans, because looking at scenes like that you really don't understand why does it seem impossible that Zanu can win an election.
I've spoken to Ugandans who loved Idi Amin and think we've all got him wrong.
 
Those Ugandans you've been speaking to must be quite old now.

Where did you speak to them - perhaps you volunteer at an old age home?
Parents of my daughter's friends. The guy was in power just before the 80s. Not exactly the stone age, zoomer.
 
Parents of my daughter's friends. The guy was in power just before the 80s. Not exactly the stone age, zoomer.
Yeah, but if they were adults in the late 70s they'd have to be quite old now.

Not doubting your story, there are much wilder tales being told here.
 
You don't have to have been an adult to understand the status quo at any point in time you've lived.

Not sure why it's even a big deal to you?

Probably quite difficult to understand politics as a child.

And it's not a big deal to me at all. I was just curious about how it came about that you got to discuss old Idi with several Ugandans.
 
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