The Zuma era

daveza

daveza

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Prior to the last elections as with pre-election 1994, the minorities were building underground bunkers and hording tinned food and bottled water.

And as post-1994 here we all are going about our daily lives, the sky hasn't fallen and we haven't been chased into the sea.

From previous posts I was first in line to vote ANC in 1994 and the 2 elections thereafter. Unfortunately the ideals of Mandela era have been usurped by greedy thieves and opportunists and they are unlikely to get my vote again lest they revert back to governance for the people and not for the fat cats.

That said, what are your comments re the new Zuma era ?

Is it as terrible as we predicted?

There is a realisation that service delivery needs attention.

There is a definite crackdown on corruption.

The government has stood strong as regards financial policy in the face of pressure from the left wing and workers unions.

Shoot to kill ( for better or for worse at least it's a new direction )

Aids denial is history.

There appears to be a change in thought re outcomes based education.

We need to bear in mind that SABC, Denel, Eskom are all relics of the Mbeki era. The massive corruption in the public sector which is now being revealed is not something that just happened overnight.

Yes, there are issues which concern - the Dalai Lama issue where we lost our morals due to Chinese pressure.

Zimbabwe - much the same but then how to you negotiate with a madman.

Still too many arrogant politicians believing the taxpayers are their wallet.

It's early days , but are we in a better place under Zuma than we were under Mbeki ?
 
I would say yes and no...

Yes Zuma is better than Mbeki, but lets be honest that is not hard to do.

No we are not much better off, still many many greedy ANC members riding the gravy train, Crime has increased not decreased, too many political appointments in my opinion, Shabby is out, Zuma is a crook, the list goes on...
 
Same show, new puppets


Service delivery flopped, Malema harping, Critical infrastructure flopped one after the other. SABC, SAA, ESKOM,TELKOM etc etc

Murder rate higher then Iraq.

However, we are hoping.
 
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i'd like to take a minute and point out that i told everyone it wasn't going to be as bad as they thought it would be. i'm not praising Zuma or the ANC, what i mean is that people were blowing things out of proportion, so much that the slogan of the DA became "Stop Zuma!"

Zuma is doing a good job in my opinion, but South Africa is still South Africa, and we have a lot of problems we need to address. hopefully if Zum can't fix this country with the tiem that he is in office, he can atleast pave an easier path for whoever follows him.

i still like the ANC. i won't vote for them anymore until they start improving, but i agree with their overall idea, and i don't believe every ANC supporter is exactly the same and a scumbag. i am just more sympathetic towards the ANC when i see how much fear and hatred towards them is emotional instead of real problems. the ANC has plenty of flaws, but it isn't as bad as everyone made it out to be.

with that said, our roads in the North West are going to **** and the cities are untidy. they should spend more time with inspections
 
Blaze786 said:
Shabby is out,
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This is a strange one. I'm one of the outraged simply because it's so blatantly obvious that the ' medical parole ' is just pure BS.

But we are not nearly so up in arms at all those who really are on their death bed and are denied the same opportunity.

And if we stop the emotions for one moment - how does the Shabby sham make one iota of difference to our daily lives.

All politicians look after their own - Bush did it, Blair did it, even Cromwell did it. That's just the way things are and it won't change whether the DA or the FF+ are in power.
 
The only thing Zuma has been good at is organizing his friends nice government jobs and purging his enemies from their jobs.
 
I'm still uncertain if it is a ANC v2.0 we are seeing, or just a ANC v1.2b.

There have been changes, but mostly only because allegiances to the leader had to be redefined.
 
VJB 449 said:
The only thing Zuma has been good at is organizing his friends nice government jobs and purging his enemies from their jobs.
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Thinking the same thing.

Zuma trying to remove anything Mbeki related. But if this improves service delivery in the progress I am happy.
 
Lets face it.
Zuma is better than Mbekie.
He has made some good decisions thus far.

There is one though i feel is scary.
He basically praised Malema recently.
Malema is promoting hatred, racism, pride...
He wants to take the mines and land back.
He is the future Bob.
So why does Zuma praise him.
Is he there to try and make the people happy by saying these things while not delivering (typical ANC now)?
Or is Malema used as the future face of what is to come???
 
MadMailMan said:
Easy tiger. Zuma is not doing a GOOD job. He is mearly doing a better job than Mbeki.
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that is what i meant, compared to the armageddon everybody thought it would be
 
Putin = KGB...

Zuma = anc intelligence... (Ignore the oxymoron!)

Do not for a moment forget the 2 stage plan.

The world rejoiced, when the Berlin wall came down.

To the KGB, that was merely a small step from the usual status quo.

A National Democratic Revolution again, before the socialist revolution...again.

The parasitic socialists will never give up.

Neither can those who value their freedom, from oppression by parasitic criminals.

They are the scum of the earth. They are parasites. They are actively planning to simply take everything you have.

They plan to take the land of the traditional leaders.

They are not here to help the poor and dispossessed.

They are thieves, murderers and robbers.

They are parasites.

Educate those around you.
 
At this stage Malema is being given airtime as a distraction, he makes headlines while other transgressions transpire. Zuma praising Malema and talkin bout him being president was taken out of context and was not a formal succession plan but merely Zuma sayin that in Malema's home town to his supporters..the media, like most things, find the most melodramatic one of spinnin it and we all have a fit. The ANC is in a spin and it is the very same ANC that has afforded us the right to sit in a democracy and voice our opinion.. If you look at what transpires in politics over seas and then put that same scenarios in a SA context we react way more, politics is just that, politics. Zuma is sayin all the right things nad slowly chippin away at it, Mbeki said all the wrong things wiht no movement.
 
Czars

daveza said:
And if we stop the emotions for one moment - how does the Shabby sham make one iota of difference to our daily lives.
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In many ways it makes a HUGE difference.

Morals and Ethics

IF the Shaik family can legally get away with this kind of corription then so can ANYONE else -- the precedent has been set.

It is a huge waste of TAX money that should be in use for social upliftment

daveza said:
All politicians look after their own - Bush did it, Blair did it, even Cromwell did it. That's just the way things are and it won't change whether the DA or the FF+ are in power.
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Rather use Lenin , Stalin , Mao Zedong , Bob Mugabe as examples

In a Western Democracy money equates to power ( somewhat more benign because you need more money -- and some of that has to be CREATED.)

Where you have naked power anyway the money is just a side benefit. ( Although some cannot seem to get enough of it. )


MW
 
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