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LancelotSA

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I'm sure many of you will feel the need to have a go at me regarding this post but it just goes to show that I am not the only one feeling that there is a lot of moaning for the sake of moaning going on in this country at the moment. And even worse a lot of things being said are being said as if they are fact, and unfortunately are believed by many without question, without any research or even checking of the facts being done.

Please read all of this before feeling the need to comment... at worst it just goes to show how people no longer understand the true meaning of words like worst, least or highest! At best it shows that shoddy journalism is alive and kicking in our country. Once again they report what the people want to hear.


On Sunday I watched the Carte Blanche episode on international perceptions of South Africa as an investment destination. I was quite taken aback by how positive international perspectives are. But during the interview Derek Watts, on describing circumstances in South Africa, used the phrase “lowest/highest/worst in the world” no less than four times. If the rankings he described were true, I might sit up and take notice, but they are not. The sad thing is that we are inundated with such claims, the great majority of which are, at worst, a blatant attempt to distort the truth and deceive the public or, at best, reflect poor journalism and inadequate investigation.

In this newsletter I will give eleven examples of such reporting, the source, the research and my sense of the motive behind the report which I will categorise as:

intentional deception, selective distortion or just plain shoddy journalism.

(If you don't have time to read them all, choose those that are of interest to you!)

Let me start with Derek Watts and Carte Blanche.

Claim:Our capability to attract foreign skills is in fact the lowest in the world.

Research: How is this "fact" established? Acknowledging that we have not come across any research in this area, we turned to the experience of removal companies and their ratio of inbound/outbound removals. Recently we contacted a number of eminent companies in this regard and they tell us that the ratio is 1.8:1. In other words they are bringing in almost two families in for every one family they are taking out. Unfortunately, it is difficult to establish the profile of these families, as this information is confidential. We also know that Britain is experiencing one of the worst brain drains in its history and that many people leaving are contemplating South Africa as a destination.

Category: shoddy journalism.

The quality of our education is not only low, in many instances it is the lowest in the world… literacy rates of grade 4 pupils indicates South Africa is among the worst in the world.

We do not hold a candle for education or for the Department of Education but cursory research tells us that South Africa ranks +/- 150th in the world in respect of literacy (out of 230 countries) and that our literacy levels are on a par with countries like Brazil, Bolivia, Malaysia and Turkey.

Category: selective distortion.


A quarter of South Africa's population lives on grants - the highest in the world. And this massive spending without saving fuels inflation.

We would agree that the number of people living on grants is approximately 25% of the population and that this is among the “recorded” highest in the world. But this is a bold observation; approximately 70% of the grant recipients are children and the balance predominantly old age pensioners and people with disability. Supporting children in the interests of adequate nutrition, proper shelter, decent care, clothing and access to education as part of our war on poverty should not be denigrated as "fuelling inflation”.

Category: selective distortion.

All of the analysts in London we spoke to are convinced that we are under-selling ourselves. They all agree South Africans overseas and here have reason to be much more upbeat about the country and the economy.

We agree with this, Derek Watts’ concluding comment, and asked ourselves why. The conclusion we come to is that these analysts probably have a better understanding of what the circumstances are in their investment destinations, are somewhat more objective, and have a longer-term view.

Those are some of the claims that Carte Blanche passed off as fact on Sunday (April 6).





Here are some additional conventional wisdoms that you may have come across:


In South Africa the rich have become richer and the poor poorer.

The source is various newspapers, the research is that of the South African Advertising Research Foundation (SAARF) who report via their All Media and Products Survey (AMPS) that while the incomes of the poor have risen slower than the incomes of the rich, they have risen. The disparity has grown, but GDP per capita has risen by 20%, across the board over the last five years, and in particular the incomes of the poorest 10% of South Africans have grown by 70% over the past five years (Statistics South Africa). The gap has grown, but the poor are not poorer. On the contrary, their living circumstances have improved.

Category: selective distortion.


Our HIV/Aids infection rate is the highest in the world.

Most authoritative agencies agree that about 12.5% of the total population is HIV positive (about 22% of the adult population) i.e. 5.5 million people. According to the 2008 CIA Factbook, Botswana (37.3%), Lesotho (28.9%), Swaziland (38.8%) and Zimbabwe (24.6%) have higher infection rates although the number of people who are infected is less than South Africa’s by virtue of population size. Likewise India and China have just overtaken South Africa’s number of HIV positive people, although obviously the percentage infection rate is much, much lower.

Category: shoddy journalism.

Our crime is the worst in the world.

Most newspapers and talkshow hosts will agree with this claim. Firstly, crime is notoriously badly reported globally. Secondly, only 180 out of 230 countries report crime at all. Thirdly, countries categorise crime statistics differently to deliberately play down the seriousness of the problem e.g. “assault by a youth” may be “assault” in one country and “juvenile crime” in another. Our violent crime at 40 murders per 100 000 of population is in the top five in the “reported” world, but in all other categories of crime SA does not stand out in the developing or developed world (Interpol and the Institute of Security Studies).

Category: shoddy journalism.


Poverty has doubled in the past ten years.


The source is the South African Institute of Race Relations (SAIRR). At the end of the day, this was a sensationalist headline which did little to justify really good inside research. The SAIRR could just as easily have reported: "Poverty on the Decline”. With GDP per capita rising at 20%, with 12.5 million South Africans receiving social grants (up from two million 12 years ago), with SAARF showing that families living in Living Standard Measure (LSM) 1 and 2 (the poorest of the poor) have reduced by 30% over the past 12 years, this claim cannot be substantiated.

If poverty is defined as “the lack of access to the necessities of life in the form of food, clothing and shelter in such a manner that one’s life becomes precarious” (Mandla Seleoane of the Tshwane University of Technology), then over the past 12 years 2.3 million homes have been built, 3.5 million homes delivered electricity, and 15 million citizens have access to fresh water that didn’t before. This "delivery" has impacted the poorest 20% of our population.

Category: selective distortion.

South African schools are the most dangerous in the world.

The source (again) is the South African Institute of Race Relations. Their report is based on outside research compiled by “Progress on Reading and Literacy in Schools” covering 41 countries. There were approximately 120 variables in the research, two of which had to do with school climate. Children were asked: “Do you experience bullying, theft or injury less than once a month (South Africa 23%), more than twice a month (South Africa 4%) or somewhere in between (South Africa 73%). Similarly in 23 other countries, 4% of children experienced bullying, theft or violence more than twice a month, and in 12 countries the percentage was higher e.g. France 5%, England 6%. The Institute took the 23% figure and claimed that only 23% of our children feel safe in school.

Category: intentional deception.

South Africa’s abortion rate amongst the highest in the world.


The Star reported this week that 50% of pregnancies end up in abortion. Women activist groups agree the figure is 2 - 3%.

Category: shoddy journalism.
 
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Continued....


Our Social Welfare System supports 12.3 million people and will create unhealthy dependency.


The HSRC report "Giving and Solidarity” agrees that 12.3 million people are beneficiaries of our Social Grant System, but argues on the basis of extensive research that social grants are promoting considerable entrepreneurship; economic activity in poor, rural areas; and better circumstances for children, particularly at school. The Financial Mail in an editorial argued the case of unhealthy dependency - “this growth is staggering and worrisome… income grants can create dependency by encouraging citizens to rely on the state to care for them rather than trying to find employment, by dampening human endeavour, grants entrench poverty rather than making gradual inroads into it”. 70% of the recipients of our social grants system are children, the balance largely pensioners and people with disability, odd conclusion I think.

Category: shoddy journalism.


The Education Programme of the Government is an abject failure.

Again, the source is the South African Institute of Race Relations using outside research, such as the Joint Education Trust (JET). However, according to Dr Gillian Godsell (Business Day 6 April) in an address to the SAIRR, “aggregating the maths data, the literacy data and the matric pass rate, we lose awareness of the excellence out there. And then we do something even worse. We aggregate one set of data, and compare it with data that are not only disaggregated, but carefully selected…this is like comparing apples with camels…averages are unhelpful…putting the wrong information out there affects the choices people make and people exercising choices play an extraordinary important role in keeping excellent state schools excellent.”

While we would agree that 80% of South Africa's schools are dysfunctional, it does not necessarily mean they deliver poor results. In many instances it means that their physical facilities are severely lacking. I would argue that the SAIRR reporting on the State of our State Schools is guilty of the above.

Category: selective distortion.

Who is the Enemy?

We are passionate about a free, independent and robust media, and are happy to report that South Africa ranks 43rd out of 163 countries in respect of press freedom! We are equally passionate about the importance of accuracy, of truth and of qualitative investigative journalism. So, at South Africa – The Good News we spend a considerable part of our time questioning some of the conventional wisdoms that result from loose reporting and talkshow hosts' "loose lips”. We also spend most working days researching positive developments in this country trying to unearth and understand the facts and the truth. So, when we read the words “in the world” we immediately establish:

How many countries participated in the survey?
What is South Africa’s position, where was it in previous years?
Where did we do “best” and where did we do “worst”?
What was the quantitative and qualitative data contained in the survey?
When the media is guilty of “comparing apples with camels”, we point it out. Our letters are mostly published but not always. So when you read “worst/highest/lowest in the world” question it, drill down and establish the facts. In our experience, this claim has never been substantiated, quite simply because we have never come across research that covers every country in the world.

There is an enemy out there, an awful cocktail of intentional deception, selective distortion and shoddy journalism. Such reporting has the potential of damaging our nation’s healing, creating a sense of “otherness”, and polarising our fragile race relations – unnecessarily.

So don’t believe everything you read, you may end up making the wrong choices. Take the enemy on – demand the truth!

By Steuart Pennington
 
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Ras.

There is a difference between whining and pointing out facts:

They are pointing out facts; you are whining about it.
 
Ras.

There is a difference between whining and pointing out facts:

They are pointing out facts; you are whining about it.

Well I am now pointing out the facts, what you guys usually do is perpetuate the shoddy journalism, but I suppose you do so at it suits you desires...
 
Moaning about moaning is a circular argument :rolleyes:

Besides, nobody moans for the sake of it. That would be just foolish.
 
Moaning about moaning is a circular argument :rolleyes:

Besides, nobody moans for the sake of it. That would be just foolish.

Um, I do not see much moaning in that post... merely a correction of most of the untruths recently put forward as fact and accepted gleefully by the likes of yourself...
 
So instead of we're completely fscked we're only slightly less fscked?

Shoddy journalism and distortion of the facts is something that no one should do in order to try prove an argument but unfortunately while the author has taken pains to disprove certain 'misconceptions' he's made a few assumptions without supporting facts of his own which just calls his whole article into question.

I'll use an example. He states Britain is suffering one of the worst brain drains in it's history. There is no supporting evidence cited.
It's a pretty broad statement and can be taken in a variety of ways.
Does it mean that people are leaving Britain for SA? Does it mean that not enough British youths are studying necessary skills when they leave school? Does it mean that Britains demand for skills is growing faster then it's ability to provide them?

To Recap: Failcakes.
 
So instead of we're completely fscked we're only slightly less fscked?

Shoddy journalism and distortion of the facts is something that no one should do in order to try prove an argument but unfortunately while the author has taken pains to disprove certain 'misconceptions' he's made a few assumptions without supporting facts of his own which just calls his whole article into question.

I'll use an example. He states Britain is suffering one of the worst brain drains in it's history. There is no supporting evidence cited.
It's a pretty broad statement and can be taken in a variety of ways.
Does it mean that people are leaving Britain for SA? Does it mean that not enough British youths are studying necessary skills when they leave school? Does it mean that Britains demand for skills is growing faster then it's ability to provide them?

To Recap: Failcakes.

The author did not state that journalists need to quote their sources or cite evidence when making statements but felt they need to ensure that the statements they make can be backed up with facts when the research is done. You are more than welcome to do some research regarding Britain's brain drain yourself and post your findings here...



EDIT: Well I have done no research into actual studies but these articles do make interesting reading :

"Britain has lost more skilled workers to the global "brain drain" than any other country, according to a report by the World Bank." http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ain-from-uk-is-worst-in-the-world-512463.html
http://www.cipd.co.uk/news/_articles/britainsbraindrain.htm

Does that mean you now believe everything said in my post as there is now no reason to call it into question?
 
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Um, I do not see much moaning in that post... merely a correction of most of the untruths recently put forward as fact and accepted gleefully by the likes of yourself...
Please give me an example of an untruth I accepted gleefully as fact.
 
The author did not state that journalists need to quote their sources or cite evidence when making statements but felt they need to ensure that the statements they make can be backed up with facts when the research is done. You are more than welcome to do some research regarding Britain's brain drain yourself and post your findings here...

So I must do the journalists research for him?

When u make a broad statement you support it with facts, otherwise it has 0 value.
 
Claim: The quality of our education is not only low, in many instances it is the lowest in the world… literacy rates of grade 4 pupils indicates South Africa is among the worst in the world.

This is in fact true.

http://www.hsrc.ac.za/Media_Release-232.phtml (As an aside, the bright sparks at the Education Dept. [haha] removed SA from the 2007 TIMSS test. I wonder why :rolleyes:)

And: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/929232.html

The top three spots on the Progress in International Reading Literacy Study (PIRLS) went to Russia, Hong Kong and Singapore, respectively. At the bottom of the list are Kuwait (330), Morocco (323) and South Africa (302).

And damn, that's only one falsified bit of evidence that 'Proudly South Africans' are trying to promote. I'll debunk more claims when I have time.
 
Please give me an example of an untruth I accepted gleefully as fact.

As much as I like you I am not going to go back through all your prior posts. You view on this thread does tell me that you happily accept the reports on Carte Blanche and the likes that report that this countries crime, education, health car etc etc is the worst in the world. If I am wrong about this then apologies but the statement still stands for others on here who do so.
 
I think we have to start by accepting that some things are true, such as LancelotSA is human. We all agree on that without proof.:D
 
I think we have to start by accepting that some things are true, such as LancelotSA is human. We all agree on that without proof.:D

You should head off to HelloPeter and complain about me :)

Well you guys have proven it with your posts... you need to accept that not everything reported can be believed without some questioning of the facts.

Unless of course it is saying what you want it to in which case you need to go forth and tell as many people as possible so they can join you in you anti SA crusade.
 
You should head off to HelloPeter and complain about me :)

Well you guys have proven it with your posts... you need to accept that not everything reported can be believed without some questioning of the facts.

Unless of course it is saying what you want it to in which case you need to go forth and tell as many people as possible so they can join you in you anti SA crusade.
There is no crusade. Bad things are happening - most hidden from us by the police and government. Heck, even the government are involved. To ignore them would just play into their hands. Nobody likes it and we discuss them to release anger and frustartion. SA is the Post Traumatic Stress capital of the world in case you wondered ....

We don't question the press enough - sure - but that would just create another layer of BS. If you have grounds to believe a story is wrong then by all means dig.

We just can't all be ostriches.:p
 
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