They walk among us....

HavocXphere said:
Was in response to your response to Acid's hospital comment:

Meaning person B knows about the "positive" knowledge/prayer/whatever. I agree with you that if person B doesn't know he/she is being prayed for then its not gonna work.

But yes, it seems we agree regardless of the misunderstanding.
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But I've been trying to point out that it's not an obvious truth that if people know they are being prayed for it's going to help them. In fact:

Prayers offered by strangers had no effect on the recovery of people who were undergoing heart surgery, a large and long-awaited study has found.

And patients who knew they were being prayed for had a higher rate of post-operative complications like abnormal heart rhythms, perhaps because of the expectations the prayers created, the researchers suggested.

Because it is the most scientifically rigorous investigation of whether prayer can heal illness, the study, begun almost a decade ago and involving more than 1,800 patients, has for years been the subject of speculation.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
 
What pisses me off is people who deny their children/family medical attention for serious ailments, instead choosing to pray for it to be healed. Happens a lot more often than you'd think.

Something a bit more annoying and less serious is if someone asks if you're religious, and you respond that you're not, they tell you that they will pray for you to see the light. It gets me fuming.
 
If prayers make you feel you have done something positive, then this is a step in the right direction. Maybe the positive thoughts you got after praying will lead to some insight or method of doing your tasks you might otherwise have missed.

Attributing this to the Lord is just wishful thinking, but if you can manage to keep it to yourself, you have done everyone a service.
 
Graal said:
What pisses me off is people who deny their children/family medical attention for serious ailments, instead choosing to pray for it to be healed. Happens a lot more often than you'd think.

Something a bit more annoying and less serious is if someone asks if you're religious, and you respond that you're not, they tell you that they will pray for you to see the light. It gets me fuming.
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The Jehovah's Witnesses are particularly bad at this. No blood transfusions, etc. Quite archaic!
 
chrisc4290 said:
The Jehovah's Witnesses are particularly bad at this. No blood transfusions, etc. Quite archaic!
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I read your comment, went to Reddit and saw this on the first page;
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One of those days...
 
DrYes said:
The OP shouldn't concern himself with what the lady said but rather the fact that she's excited and happy about the pregnancy.
If anything this woman will provide invaluable support to his wife during the time she's expecting and when the baby comes.
We can't always rely on doctors anyway because they can only do so much.
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We should always concern ourselves with what people say when it gives us insight into who they are. For instance, there is no chance that I would ever leave my child alone with this person now. Not because I think she is crazy, but because I am worried that she might just opt for prayer instead of hospital if something goes wrong. I never would have realised how much of a nut she was before this point, because I dont really go around bringing up the religious debate with my wife's friends.

I understand when you say we cannot rely on doctors because they can only do so much. But your sentence implies that there is someone/thing else to rely on. Considering that you only rely on doctors for their medical expertise, I wonder who else is the backup plan after they fail?
 
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SoulTax said:
For instance, there is no chance that I would ever leave my child alone with this person now. Not because I think she is crazy, but because I am worried that she might just opt for prayer instead of hospital if something goes wrong. I never would have realised how much of a nut she was before this point, because I dont really go around bringing up the religious debate with my wife's friends.
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Do you think if (God forbid) your child is in a car accident, she would opt to pray instead of taking your child to school.

I think atheists are as good/bad as religious people.
 
Fuma said:
Do you think if (God forbid) your child is in a car accident, she would opt to pray instead of taking your child to school.

I think atheists are as good/bad as religious people.
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In 99% of all cases, no I think people would take said child to the emergency room. But there are people that think to pray instead of seek medical attention. I now realise that she is either one of them, or borderline. Either way, I would not take that chance.

It is not to say that she is good/bad, just that she is a little too deluded for my tastes or comfort.
 
What I have realized is that both atheists and religious people think of one another as deluded, nuts, etc, etc......

The whole kettle vs pot.
 
Fuma said:
What I have realized is that both atheists and religious people think of one another as deluded, nuts, etc, etc......

The whole kettle vs pot.
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Everyone has their beliefs. But apparently "stabbing thy neighbor in the heart with a sharp object because they don't believe in the same things you do" is somewhere in all the religious (and Atheist) texts. Ya'know, the whole "live and let live" thing kind of goes "weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" and out the window...
 
AcidRaZor said:
Everyone has their beliefs. But apparently "stabbing thy neighbor in the heart with a sharp object because they don't believe in the same things you do" is somewhere in all the religious (and Atheist) texts. Ya'know, the whole "live and let live" thing kind of goes "weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" and out the window...
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What are you talking about?
 
copacetic said:
One thing I find a little disconcerting, I'll admit, is when people wax lyrical about all the awesome stuff god has done for them, and then kind of pause and look at you (usually a little vacantly), as if you are supposed to respond with a hand clasp, and a 'praaaaaise Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus!'.

I'm all for people to believe what they will (provided it's largely harmless) and whatnot, but I'll admit, I get a little tetchy when it's assumed that the same crap floats my boat...
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Maybe it's just you who is being overly sensitive about it. People are complicated. You can't expect everyone to agree with you all the time or believe the same things you do.

My response to people like you mention is to smile, the way you would smile at a 2 yr old who stumbles trying to walk :)
 
zippy said:
Maybe it's just you who is being overly sensitive about it.
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I don't think finding it 'a little disconcerting' is me being particularly sensitive, to be honest.

People are complicated.
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Yes.

You can't expect everyone to agree with you all the time or believe the same things you do.
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I most certainly do not, as I say, it's the assumption that I share those views that I find odd.

My response to people like you mention is to smile, the way you would smile at a 2 yr old who stumbles trying to walk :)
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I do smile. What else can I do?
 
SoulTax said:
We should always concern ourselves with what people say when it gives us insight into who they are. For instance, there is no chance that I would ever leave my child alone with this person now. Not because I think she is crazy, but because I am worried that she might just opt for prayer instead of hospital if something goes wrong. I never would have realised how much of a nut she was before this point, because I dont really go around bringing up the religious debate with my wife's friends.

I understand when you say we cannot rely on doctors because they can only do so much. But your sentence implies that there is someone/thing else to rely on. Considering that you only rely on doctors for their medical expertise, I wonder who else is the backup plan after they fail?
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Regardless this woman is your wifes friend and there's a reason why your wife has a "nutjob" as a friend.
You're viewing this woman through blinkers just because of one statement.
Perhaps you should question your wife on the negative company she keeps,since, at some point it could affect the well being of your child.
 
OP is making too much of it.

Are we all expected to agree 100% with our friends' outlooks on life/beliefs/etc ? I think not.

Just agree to disagree.
 
One thing I would also like to know is, if the daughter believes in God when she grows up, what is the op going to do?
 
Fuma said:
One thing I would also like to know is, if the daughter believes in God when she grows up, what is the op going to do?
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This is a good question. If my child decides to become religious, so be it. I won't force my atheism down someone's throat.
 
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