Tim Noakes Not Guilty

“In science it often happens that scientists say, you know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken, and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion”.
- Carl Sagan
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That I agree with.
 
Thor187 said:
Not with him, his view goes where the money is.
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Actually, his view is quite contrary to that, and goes against the grain of convention or big money, hence the furore.

It will all develop over time, based on sound science, just like smoking was once ok.
 
Sneeky said:
Actually, his view is quite contrary to that, and goes against the grain of convention or big money, hence the furore.

It will all develop over time, based on sound science, just like smoking was once ok.
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I'm not against Atkins/fat/banting/catchyname it's not his idea he did not come up with this his just pushing it.
 
Thor187 said:
I'm not against Atkins/fat/banting/catchyname it's not his idea he did not come up with this his just pushing it.
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He is not for any of those specific eating regimes. Certainly not. While they may have similar traits, all he is saying is cut out the carbs.
He may be forceful with that, yes, but it is not a Ketogenic type diet he is professing by any means. Far from it.
His main focus is awareness, and the lack people clearly have to understand exactly how many carbs they are consuming on a daily basis, thinking its healthy food. It may be, but all the stuff they ate before was also 'apparently' healthy, while avoiding good fats and protein, and the net result is, even for the health conscious, carb overload. And properly.
 
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Sneeky said:
He is not for any of those specific eating regimes. Certainly not. While they may have similar traits, all he is saying is cut out the carbs.
He may be forceful with that, yes, but it is not a Ketogenic type diet he is professing by any means. Far from it.
His main focus is awareness, and the lack people clearly have to understand exactly how many carbs they are consuming on a daily basis, thinking its healthy food. It may be, but all the stuff they ate before was also 'apparently' healthy, while avoiding good fats and protein, and the net result is, even for the health conscious, carb overload. And properly.
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His attitude and desciples reminds of a ponzi scheme
 
You see Thor, thats the type of response that really weighs you down and does not contribute at all to the discussion.
You clearly have no position of authority to speak from.

As someone that is 'forced' to regulate their intake, and have a pretty good understanding of how certain things affect ones physiology, I will gladly chime in and help, or offer whatever advice I can, if you want, no problem.

If not, stop talking rubbish.
 
Sneeky said:
You see Thor, thats the type of response that really weighs you down and does not contribute at all to the discussion.
You clearly have no position of authority to speak from.

As someone that is 'forced' to regulate their intake, and have a pretty good understanding of how certain things affect ones physiology, I will gladly chime in and help, or offer whatever advice I can, if you want, no problem.

If not, stop talking rubbish.
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Same here again nothing against this (the whole fat thing), I don't like him as a person met numerous times. I don't like him. Hence my initial comment - Tim Jokes.
 
Bold move from Magnus Heystek hey. Dude clearly has never seen a no-carb, sugar deprived banting dieter get angry. They will go full white bread on your ass.
 
a balanced diet is all that's needed.

too much fat:

A diet rich in saturated fat (fatty cuts of meat and dairy foods are top sources) can raise cholesterol levels in the blood. That increases the risk for heart disease. Likewise, the trans fats found in some fried foods, packaged snacks and stick margarine (among other foods) raise cholesterol, too.
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lack of carbohydrates

When you don't get enough carbohydrates, the level of sugar in your blood may drop to below the normal range (70-99 mg/dL), causing hypoglycemia. Your body then starts to burn fat for energy, leading to ketosis
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ketosis:

a metabolic state characterized by raised levels of ketone bodies in the body tissues, which is typically pathological in conditions such as diabetes, or may be the consequence of a diet that is very low in carbohydrates
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people that claim miracles from this were mostly likely living an unhealthy lifestyle to begin with(I know of many). just stopping all the junk food and eating healthier would obviously improve their condition. the hype of banting and the fact that's on menus at restaurants helps them stick to the diet, plus its filled with tasty fats that give foods flavor and lovely meats, one of the best tasting diets. also just by drinking a glass of orange juice a day can lower cholesterol by 5 points.


and a side note, all these "low fat" foods, are all pumped full of sugar to replace the taste missing from extracting the fats. just thought I would mention this, since I always run into people thinking they cut out sugar with their diet but eat all products labelled "low fat".

its just juggling nutrition. stick to a healthy balanced diet. that is all.

each to their own, eat healthy exercise a bit, people will be amazed what just 30min of exercise a day can do..


edit: just to add, the fact that diets recommended after heart attacks or for heart conditions tell you to cut out fats and fatty foods should say something.
 
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smi said:
someone has egg on their face after this ruling
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+1

This was a desperate and malicious attack against him and for anyone following this saga or wanting to, go and do some digging into the parties that tried to destroy him. The HPCSA and the Assoc of Dietetics of South Africa being the two biggest culprits here.

This is more than an egg on the face. This has highlighted a crack, and through that crack you can see incredibly corrupt and rotten to the core health systems; the same professionals who tell you what is and is not good for you.

Talk about asking the devil to hold your hand as you cross the street.
 
Thor187 said:
Same here again nothing against this (the whole fat thing), I don't like him as a person met numerous times. I don't like him. Hence my initial comment - Tim Jokes.
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and thats where it flies right over your head.
It is not a fat thing, its a health thing.
To often bad health is solely associated with obesity.
Too often with this whole thing about eating better its about some lard arse on a chair doing jack diddly. While this is certainly concerning the food you are offered daily (in good faith) is more worrying.

You dont like the guy fine, move on. Science will prevail.
 
access said:
people that claim miracles from this were mostly likely living an unhealthy lifestyle to begin with(I know of many)..
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What nonsense , eating rubbish, cut back the carbs and raise your flag and claim, wheres the problem here?

Its not about low fat, actually a LCHF diet means lots of good fats.

So before you dis the people who are claiming, maybe take a moment to understand what they are doing/have done.

I wish I could annex your pancreas for just one month, you can have it back I promise, but just one month, then you will understand.
 
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