Tim Noakes Not Guilty

[Swa]

It was a complete waste of time IMO. There are far more cases of medical misconduct than a stupid tweet.

Still, doesn't stop the religion of Noakes from making up their own facts..
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Read the hearing. He gave bad advice, but they deemed it ok because he did it with the Herald of High Fat hat (LCHF author) on. Not his doctor's hat.

No. He gave advice that's contrary to popular medical opinion but far from being bad they also ruled it wasn't dangerous or harmful in any way. So it's about more than him just speaking in his author capacity. In a way THAT is an endorsement of the eating plan.

a balanced diet is all that's needed.

too much fat:

Cholesterol has never itself been shown to cause heart disease though. This assumption rests on a time when it was decided that fat and cholesterol was the culprit and not sugar and inflammation but all evidence since then has contradicted that stance.

lack of carbohydrates



ketosis:

These diets are not ketonic diets. They may have been called that in the media but the extraordinary lengths you have to go through to induce ketosis make them look like a sugar overload.

people that claim miracles from this were mostly likely living an unhealthy lifestyle to begin with(I know of many). just stopping all the junk food and eating healthier would obviously improve their condition. the hype of banting and the fact that's on menus at restaurants helps them stick to the diet, plus its filled with tasty fats that give foods flavor and lovely meats, one of the best tasting diets. also just by drinking a glass of orange juice a day can lower cholesterol by 5 points.


and a side note, all these "low fat" foods, are all pumped full of sugar to replace the taste missing from extracting the fats. just thought I would mention this, since I always run into people thinking they cut out sugar with their diet but eat all products labelled "low fat".

its just juggling nutrition. stick to a healthy balanced diet. that is all.

each to their own, eat healthy exercise a bit, people will be amazed what just 30min of exercise a day can do..

Well that is what these diets state if you look at the whole message. Ironically these are the only diets people are actually likely to stick to because they tell you NOT to diet.

You'll also be surprised at what 30 mins of full body sunshine a day can do. Not surprising then that studies don't actually show people working out in the gym as being any healthier but the ones looking specifically at people performing outdoor activities whether exercising or not show a tremendous improvement in overall health.

edit: just to add, the fact that diets recommended after heart attacks or for heart conditions tell you to cut out fats and fatty foods should say something.

No a recommendation is not a fact. It's based on another assumption that hasn't actually been shown to reduce heart attacks. People that had heart attacks are likely to have them again and it may be due to the fact they aren't told to avoid sugar.

 

[itareanlnotani]

Point out the spelling mistake please.

"His attitude and desciples reminds of a ponzi scheme"

Unsure whether you are talking about disciples (his followers), or disciplines, or perhaps scruples?
The sentence makes no sense either way.

 

[Sneeky]

I'm not the only one who got that vibe.

https://www.moneyweb.co.za/uncategorized/is-tim-noakes-running-a-ponzi-scheme/

from the article title

Banting’s big fat lie.

Just lol, looking at the attached image.

And to be fair, he isn't judging anything really, other than Kj in kj Out, which is a rather simplistic view to be generous, and this rather nulifies ( I think) his anchor below.

Tell this to almost three billion people in India, China and most of the Far East who rely on cheap rice and noodles to get them through the day.

Who gorges more?

 

[Oppiekoffie]

Erm. LCHF rocks!

Exactly. Not all diets work for everyone. I may be running on high carbs, lean and mean, the next guy will blow up like a balloon. Unbelievable this has taken so long. Good to see the end of it.

 

[tRoN]

His attitude and desciples reminds of a ponzi scheme

How?? I'm not paying anyone sub fees or buying shakes and stuff.
I've been Banting for over 3 years and maintained my weight loss.
I have saved money as I don't buy processed foods and eat much less. Some days I just have a coffee the whole day.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

and a side note, all these "low fat" foods, are all pumped full of sugar to replace the taste missing from extracting the fats. just thought I would mention this, since I always run into people thinking they cut out sugar with their diet but eat all products labelled "low fat".

careful, your ignorance is on full view Any banter will know way before you do that anything 'low fat' is something to stay far away from. Maybe you should stick to commenting on stuff you know about instead?

 

[Sinbad]

Same here again nothing against this (the whole fat thing), I don't like him as a person met numerous times. I don't like him. Hence my initial comment - Tim Jokes.

Be honest... he laughed at your toe shoes and you've never gotten over it, right?


But on a more serious note, the fact that you admit that the cause of your argument is that you don't like the man relegates every single post you make about this to the status of ad hominem - a logical fallacy.

 

[access]

the cult like defense of this diet and this guy is amazing. and funny.

misconstrued what I say to put this on a pedestal.


anyway, as you were. enjoy the lekker bacon breakfast this morning. I will.

 

[BBSA]

the cult like defense of this diet and this guy is amazing. and funny.

This, so sad to see.

 

[copacetic]

the cult like defense of this diet and this guy is amazing. and funny.

Even if true (and I certainly don't think it is for most people in the thread, unless support and agreement based on our rational assessment of the evidence is 'cult-like'), it's no less bizarre than the irrational hatred displayed towards Noakes and the diet.

 

[Jings]

Not a supporter of the banting diet and don't believe Tim Noakes advice is medical either. Certainly don't take issue with people who are followers of the diet. Actually I don't understand the logic of bashing people who support banting. Can someone elaborate on the reason for the aggression.

 

[copacetic]

Can someone elaborate on the reason for the aggression.

I suspect it's simply has to do with the fact that his views very much go against convention (other LCHF proponents around the world face much the same reaction). And since the evidence for it it being, at the very least, not dangerous at all and potentially quite beneficial, a lot of people are left with little more than irrational ad hominem attacks on Noakes and people who happen to eat this way.

That all being said, there are no doubt banting and Noakes supporters who are no doubt verging on the religious about the topic, which is just as silly. I honestly don't know why people get so damned worked up about what they eat. It's insane.

 

[access]

people look for a miracle pill or diet or the easiest thing to lose wait, its called laziness.

not eating carbs or eating very little carbs, forces your body to use its fat reserves, this it the thing that produces the weight loss results. there is nothing miraculous about it.

eating the fatty foods has almost nothing to do with the weight loss apart that its fast and high heat burning fuel for the body. its whats left over that's the problem.

like its funny how people twisted the eskimos diet to suite their diet plan sales, meanwhile nobody told them their life expectancies and what illnesses they suffer of later in life.

I also find it sad, that in a country where we are the leaders in heart medicine / procedures, that people will ignore actual medical scientists /professionals advice. but I suspect its to protect their yummy diet, heaven forbid someone tells them to get off their ass and do something.

just like in the past after several years, people eating too much fats will suffer. come back in 20 years or so and I will tell you "i told you so"

 

[cupcake]

I never understood this, why would anyone choose to feed a infant high carbohydrate cereals instead of meat, vegetables, healthy fat and moderate fruits it's basic common sense really.

 

[access]

I never understood this why would anyone choose to feed a infant high carbohydrate cereals instead of meat, vegetables, healthy fat and moderate fruits it's basic common sense really.

its easier to dump cereal in a bowl than to prepare something. laziness.

 

[cupcake]

its easier to dump cereal in a bowl than to prepare something. laziness.

Exactly! I bought one of these and make my own baby food and freeze it in portions it takes minimal time and I know exactly what he is getting.

 

[copacetic]

people look for a miracle pill or diet or the easiest thing to lose wait, its called laziness.

not eating carbs or eating very little carbs, forces your body to use its fat reserves, this it the thing that produces the weight loss results. there is nothing miraculous about it.

eating the fatty foods has almost nothing to do with the weight loss apart that its fast and high heat burning fuel for the body. its whats left over that's the problem.

like its funny how people twisted the eskimos diet to suite their diet plan sales, meanwhile nobody told them their life expectancies and what illnesses they suffer of later in life.

I also find it sad, that in a country where we are the leaders in heart medicine / procedures, that people will ignore actual medical scientists /professionals advice. but I suspect its to protect their yummy diet, heaven forbid someone tells them to get off their ass and do something.

just like in the past after several years, people eating too much fats will suffer. come back in 20 years or so and I will tell you "i told you so"

It's easy making claims and backing it up with "you'll see in twenty years, just you wait", ain't it?

And all this nonsense about diet sales, etc. I eat LCHF, and it involves, for the most part, something like a R20 head of broccoli and a piece of meat with olive oil drizzled on everything. As to the metabolic processes at play, I don't think anyone here is claiming it's miraculous, but it's a bit more in-depth than you make out,

 

[access]

It's easy making claims and backing it up with "you'll see in twenty years, just you wait", ain't it?

And all this nonsense about diet sales, etc. I eat LCHF, and it involves, for the most part, something like a R20 head of broccoli and a piece of meat with olive oil drizzled on everything. As to the metabolic processes at play, I don't think anyone here is claiming it's miraculous, but it's a bit more in-depth than you make out,

ok don't wait 20 years, go look at the past. again misconstruing.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

you really love just throwing your bs facts in the thread, call everyone doing banting lazy or cult like and carry on ignorant don't you

 

[copacetic]

ok don't wait 20 years, go look at the past. again misconstruing.

Misconstruing? Again? If I'm not following you, perhaps you're not being clear enough?

What was crystal though was this:

just like in the past after several years, people eating too much fats will suffer. come back in 20 years or so and I will tell you "i told you so"

What is there to say, really? You make an absolute claim, and set your 'victory' two decades in the future. Absolutely ****ing ridiculous manner in which to state your case. You also make over-simplified and sweeping claims about the nature of the diet and the apparent danger of fats as if you have some sort of direct line to the truth.