Toddler raped, killed, dumped

noxibox said:
Well when one gang of vigilantes kills someone, then another gang of vigilantes will have to kill that gang. And so on. Sooner or later vigilantes kill the wrong people. Even the judicial system cannot get it right, so how can a mob out for blood?

What are some people drinking that makes them think the death penalty is some magical cure? Are they going to shut up when it doesn't make any real difference? Or are they then going to moan about the monumental costs involved and the even more congested court system?
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Um, ever see a mob get attacked by another mob in retaliation for killing a criminal?
 
Ronjay said:
Um, ever see a mob get attacked by another mob in retaliation for killing a criminal?
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How is that relevant?

sister said:
well it could be if they don't keep them criminals on death row for 40 years before actually killing them!
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One way or another you have to give ample opportunity to make sure there has been no error. I don't think it is acceptable that someone facing execution gets anything less than the best, most expensive legal representation. The quality of your defence should not depend on your social/economic standing. We might be fairly sure that they're guilty, but mistakes happen too often due to inadequate legal representation. Then there's the lack of scientific rigour in commonly used forensic evidence. Take fingerprints for example. Typically those found are partials and often distorted. Then there is no established standard for how many points constitute a match. And what is the false positive rate? How many members of the public, judges included are aware of these problems?

I don't have an intrinsic problem with executing people, but we better be damn sure we get the right people. There are more than enough cases of wrongful conviction that no sensible person should be wanting to rush into applying the death penalty. If executing people could be overwhelmingly shown to reduce murder we might at least have a case for the death penalty, but even that cannot be shown.
 
noxibox said:
How is that relevant?


One way or another you have to give ample opportunity to make sure there has been no error. I don't think it is acceptable that someone facing execution gets anything less than the best, most expensive legal representation. The quality of your defence should not depend on your social/economic standing. We might be fairly sure that they're guilty, but mistakes happen too often due to inadequate legal representation. Then there's the lack of scientific rigour in commonly used forensic evidence. Take fingerprints for example. Typically those found are partials and often distorted. Then there is no established standard for how many points constitute a match. And what is the false positive rate? How many members of the public, judges included are aware of these problems?

I don't have an intrinsic problem with executing people, but we better be damn sure we get the right people. There are more than enough cases of wrongful conviction that no sensible person should be wanting to rush into applying the death penalty. If executing people could be overwhelmingly shown to reduce murder we might at least have a case for the death penalty, but even that cannot be shown.
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It's relevant because of your own words "Well when one gang of vigilantes kills someone, then another gang of vigilantes will have to kill that gang" So have you seen this? It does not happen bud. Are you forgetting what you post or are you saying one cannot argue against your opinion?
 
Goldenrule said:
Part of what culture ? What culture of South Africa has any of these things as 'part of their culture" ? That's an incredibly ignorant and offensive statement but I would allow it if it had any basis in reality.
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RE. it if it had any basis in reality

The fact that you even ask the question shows how incredibly blind you are; or pretend to be.

Raping virgins, killing witches & muti murders are part of AFRICAN culture all the way to the Sahara.
 
there is something not right with this story!!!!! the mother claims that she thought the child was with her grandmother? what? did the child, a 2 year old, walk to the granny? or hop on a bus to the granny? or take a train to the granny? no no no how do you let a 2 year old out of your sight just like that. someone said arrest the mother, yes arrest the mother and the truth will come out here. something does not gel here.
 
Celine said:
there is something not right with this story!!!!! the mother claims that she thought the child was with her grandmother? what? did the child, a 2 year old, walk to the granny? or hop on a bus to the granny? or take a train to the granny? no no no how do you let a 2 year old out of your sight just like that. someone said arrest the mother, yes arrest the mother and the truth will come out here. something does not gel here.
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Yip, it's getting to be a favorite excuse used nowadays. "oh I left the child by the Grandmother" Very convenient. It's funny that, my sister's were often left at my Grans place when they were little, and there was never any problem, my Gran would never let them out of her sight. Still the Bastard who did this is a dog and should be put down.
 
sister said:
last time i checked, there were no conclusive evidence that psychopathy is a genetic condition.
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There is no conclusive evidence, there is evidence though and it cannot be ignored.


psychopaths can discern between right and wrong: they lack a conscience; they have no empathy for their victims. even when a grown-up psychopath learned in different ways that it is wrong to hurt others or to take what belong to others, they don't care and they never will (until a cure is found!)
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You argue that a psychopath can tell the difference between right and wrong. I would ask you how you know the difference between right and wrong?

How, for example do you understand that raping someone is wrong?

Do you just blindly accept what society tells you or do you see it from the perspective of the victim and his/her family?

If your answer is that you blindly accept it without actually thinking about it then that is pretty disturbing. If your answer is that you see it from the perspective of the victim and as a result understand that it is wrong then congratulations you've just performed a task that a psychopath cannot perform. Yes the psychopath is told that rape is wrong, but he/she doesn't necessarily understand why.


you make it sound like the psychopath has no control over their actions, which is not totally correct.
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A psychopath does have control over his/her actions. The problem is that the psychopath doesn't care how you feel about anything, all he/she cares for is his/her own gratification. He/she is incapable of empathy, has no conscience, feels no guilt or remorse. This clearly demonstrates an inability to fully comprehend the full impact of his/her actions.


you suggest in a later response that there are more humane ways of removing murderers from society. while i respect the sanctity of a human life, keep in mind that to date there is no cure for psychopaths: they are highly dangerous people.

why must society support or feel empathy for these ruthless criminals?
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Because regardless of the reason for their psychopathy they cannot fully comprehend the impact of their actions because they lack empathy. They cannot stop and consider what impact their actions will have on the victim's family or on society as a whole. They just know that society doesn't like it, they don't care about why.

Just because they cannot show empathy does that mean we as a society shouldn't?

I agree that psychopathy is something that currently can't be cured but that doesn't mean the only option is to put that person to death.

EDIT: sorry in retrospect this could have been a little off-topic... carry on.
 
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