Mila
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It's the voices and PE.
IMO, as the austerity measures gain popularity globally, we will have more Saffers coming back. Lets all welcome them back shall we? And none of that "We told you so" nonsense okay?
On the other hand we as SA have to ensure we dont fall into the same trap of depending on a budget deficit for a protracted period of time. Which IMO, we will be back in surplus once our major capital projects are completed.
On the other hand we as SA have to ensure we dont fall into the same trap of depending on a budget deficit for a protracted period of time. Which IMO, we will be back in surplus once our major capital projects are completed.
Mila
Honorary Master
Do not be clever you are confusing him.
You obviously fail to read.
From the very same article:
They are stat padding. I cannot find a single explanation on how they reach these statistics. StatsSA is a complete joke compared to the statistics of other countries.
My bad, I was out by 5.6% percent. Expanded definition. What utter BS. You either need a job or not. If you do, you either have a job or not.
Time to get your head out of the sand and stop believing the rubbish that the government feeds you.
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DigitalSoldier
Honorary Master
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LOL, trying terribly hard to get some attention ? Are you an HIV baby that grew up without any parents to give you some kind of attention ? Maybe you are just jealous cos the DA run Western Cape is doing so well even your leader -Jacob Zuma - proclaimed how well everything is run there.
It's not. There are multiple ways of viewing unemployment. Unsurprisingly governments will prefer to use the method that shows the lowest number. So is that UK figure all unemployed adults or does it exclude the unemployable, those not looking (e.g. permanently on benefits), etc?
Kaine
Expert Member
/puts on a flame retard(ent) suit
heeheehee. Paris Hilton smoking jut with JZ in the toilets. cape town are like to wear jean pant, and the grass really is greener on the other side. but thats because it rains 200 days a year there.
jokes aside. we'll see after the world cup if this keeps up, and gets even better. I personally dont mind if some of my mates come back from the UK, and I wont think they are traitors. but hey, you go to make money and see the world. even on the meager 1100pounds a month I was making, I went on 2x 2 week holidays in the space of 4 months. try do that here. so what if you work a rubbish job, theres always always over 100000 jobs being advertised. daily. depends on how many interviews you want to go to. AT LEAST THEY HAPPEN. as to the guy who said something about his ex. tell her to join a temp agency. that or shes a lazy cow
heeheehee. Paris Hilton smoking jut with JZ in the toilets. cape town are like to wear jean pant, and the grass really is greener on the other side. but thats because it rains 200 days a year there.
jokes aside. we'll see after the world cup if this keeps up, and gets even better. I personally dont mind if some of my mates come back from the UK, and I wont think they are traitors. but hey, you go to make money and see the world. even on the meager 1100pounds a month I was making, I went on 2x 2 week holidays in the space of 4 months. try do that here. so what if you work a rubbish job, theres always always over 100000 jobs being advertised. daily. depends on how many interviews you want to go to. AT LEAST THEY HAPPEN. as to the guy who said something about his ex. tell her to join a temp agency. that or shes a lazy cow
Vrotappel
Bulls fan
We have approximately 50 million people, about 14 million on the dole and 13 million working (of which 6 million actually pays income tax). IMO our true unemployment figure is closer to 50%.
The_Assimilator
Executive Member
Nah, she's just retarded... as can be inferred from calling people looking for a better life "traitors".
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Have you made a consideration in your figures regarding how many people CAN work? Like the ones above the legal working age, and those retired and on pension? Its a lot more intricate than you make it seem.
And another thing, why do you separate the 6 million people that pay Personal Income Tax from the 13 million?
Because they bear most of the burden.
Kaine
Expert Member
because if you earn under R5187 or something like that you dont pay income tax
Of the R 625 Billion collected for 2008/09 R 429 Billion was from non Personal Income Tax, so define burden?
Vrotappel
Bulls fan
My statement said IMO. Obviously everyone will have there own opinion on it. I prefer the common sense approach.
Reality check.
The people who pay personal income tax also pay VAT, if that's what you're alluding to.
The fewer people pay tax, the more the tax needs to be paid per capita by the tax payers.
The people who pay INCOME TAX and VAT bear a greater burden than those who only pay VAT.
So the other 7 million or so people that work and buy stuff are VAT exempt? Or even the people living of social grants?
The picture I'm trying to paint, is that we Personal Income Taxpayers have a tendancy to think we carry this "burden" and when you look at the numbers, it tells a different story. People below the tax rates also contribute positevely to tax revenues...
EDIT: Did not see the last bit of your post, so disregard my question above...
DreamKing
Honorary Master
genetic
Honorary Master
That has no bearing on VAT payers.
DreamKing
Honorary Master
do you know how it works?
Many of the cheaper goods they buy - bread, milk, eggs, veggies, fruit, mielies, etc are VAT exempt. They also spend less and so generate less VAT. What is the dole anyway - R800 odd per month. It's not a lot and if you buy basics with that you won't even pay VAT.
We carry this burden because personal income tax in SA is very high for the amount of services you get back in return. Why? Because most money has to be spent on the non tax payers. The ones who earn more pay INCOME tax and also pay more VAT.
Basic foods are also VAT exempt. Basic water and electricity is also free. This means we also pay more on municipality rates, as we have to subsidize the poor.
I answered your question. Again, per capita the person who is just rich enough to pay INCOME tax has to pay income tax on top of VAT everyone pays. With fewer tax payers and more living on the dole, the few tax payers there are have to pay more and have a higher burden. If more people earned salaries and so spent more on VAT and income tax, the tax per capita would be lower as would VAT. If that's not intuitive I don't know.
By paying more in tax, vat, capital gains tax, municipal rates we have less to spend and therefore less jobs can be created. It's a vicious cycle. Sadly with the few jobs there are some people would rather live on handouts.
Since our income tax maxes out at about 40% those who earn huge amounts are also favoured - except in payment of municipality rates where their house value is a determinant of how much rates they pay. However, those who fall in the income tax bracket and don't earn millions p.a. are in trouble. Those who earn millions p.a. from private business will surely find ways of enriching themselves without paying too much income tax by paying themselves dividends or corporate tax etc.
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