Tshwane is now a reality

Should Pretoria become Tshwane?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 14.3%

  • No

    Votes: 83 84.7%

  • Unsure

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Total voters
    98
vantage said:
Anyway I trust the Anc will change what is necessary .
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Trust the ANC? Deeds speak louder than words and their lack of good deeds will be remembered for much longer than some of the changes they made.


Maybe zuma should also watch Invictus.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Yup, it was a token of gratitude for saving his life if I remember correctly.
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That was the thieve `s version of the story . Tshaka didnt give anybody land , they stole especially in Zululand and eastern cape.
 
vantage said:
Yes the whiteman built those cities bUT the blackman was getting 2bob per year for all the labour , living in shanty towns , carrying passes and no access to European only toilets in town.Talk about not appreciating , nxa . Not to forget the people that they dispossesed and the land they took .

Why should this animal called reconciliation be about us bowing down to you . When have we ever seen an act of reconciliation from the other side ? Its always us forgiving , moving on . For you its get over it , we built this and that but not a mention of the black people that did all the dung labour .
Anyway I trust the Anc will change what is necessary .
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you "my friend" are a sad sad racist loser....

WAKE UP, SMELL THE COFFEE, LOOK OUTSIDE, LISTEN TO THE RADIO and take in that "apartheid" has been over today for 20 years [effectively...]

no use arguing/debating with you, you clearly have NO NEED for whites and blacks to get along, nor for this "animal" reconciliation to happen...... so just live in your own little white free world, and let the mature grown ups talk about these issues, k?
 
Crowley said:
Trust the ANC? Deeds speak louder than words and their lack of good deeds will be remembered for much longer than some of the changes they made.


Maybe zuma should also watch Invictus.
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Invictus is just a folk story . It isnt based on any facts from our side , its just a matter of which side got the most coverage .
 
JHatman said:
I'm no history expert, but I was born here in Natal and lived here most of my life. I think I know a little bit about my home.

See the thing is, a lot of Zulu's will talk about how this was their land before the white man, but they are extremely tight lipped about the ethnic cleansing by the Zulu's of the original inhabitants of Natal which was known as the Mfecane, long before white skin ever touched Natal.

Hey Vantage, you know what I'm talking about doncha. So who were you, the zulu opressors or the clans before them that were cleansed off their own land by Zulu's? Won't you think about that for a little ;)
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Mfecane was a cleansing of the traitors . The Zulu people didnt start under Tshaka like what you want people to believe .
 
Bizkit87 said:
you "my friend" are a sad sad racist loser....

WAKE UP, SMELL THE COFFEE, LOOK OUTSIDE, LISTEN TO THE RADIO and take in that "apartheid" has been over today for 20 years [effectively...]

no use arguing/debating with you, you clearly have NO NEED for whites and blacks to get along, nor for this "animal" reconciliation to happen...... so just live in your own little white free world, and let the mature grown ups talk about these issues, k?
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You just want me to accept your priveldge of aparthied views so you go and call me a racist .
 
vantage said:
You just want me to accept your priveldge of aparthied views so you go and call me a racist .
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what "privilege" ????? i was born after apartheid [basically] my parents were dirt poor [my dad cleaned trains....] so, i beg you to tell me where i was "privileged" ?????
 
Bizkit87 said:
what "privilege" ????? i was born after apartheid [basically] my parents were dirt poor [my dad cleaned trains....] so, i beg you to tell me where i was "privileged" ?????
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If my old man was cleaning trains I would have been maybe cleaning restrooms at hotels , but since you are of a different hue to me you are afforded more opportunities . Even today a white teenager can get a job in a restraunt but a black teenager cant get that , because they already judged him . Thats priveledge . I used to work at the harbour during my university yrs , guess who was a manager , a white boy who was barely 19 didnt know shyt , to top it of he had no matric . But these old madalaz couldnt even get into such a position .
 
JHatman said:
So you agree that anybody who did not want to join Tshaka's clan was a traitor and deserved to be killed/run off their land? I find it amusing that you would hold such a view, yet are quick to point fingers at white people who are supposedly invaders of your land?

You lost me somewhere. How was it your land to begin with? Its ok for Zulu's to take it by warfare, yet suddenly its not ok that it was taken away by the British in warfare?
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Go and read your history books again , and again , and again .
 
JHatman said:
You lost me somewhere. How was it your land to begin with? Its ok for Zulu's to take it by warfare, yet suddenly its not ok that it was taken away by the British in warfare?
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Hey, you leave vantage alone.

He's my bitch, yo!
 
vantage said:
If my old man was cleaning trains I would have been maybe cleaning restrooms at hotels , but since you are of a different hue to me you are afforded more opportunities . Even today a white teenager can get a job in a restraunt but a black teenager cant get that , because they already judged him . Thats priveledge . I used to work at the harbour during my university yrs , guess who was a manager , a white boy who was barely 19 didnt know shyt , to top it of he had no matric . But these old madalaz couldnt even get into such a position .
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Hmm, have you been to any restaurants lately? I see only black waiters 0_o
 
Gotta love the way you just change the goal posts when people show you that your twisted, racist view of the world is wrong.
 
vantage said:
If my old man was cleaning trains I would have been maybe cleaning restrooms at hotels , but since you are of a different hue to me you are afforded more opportunities . Even today a white teenager can get a job in a restraunt but a black teenager cant get that , because they already judged him . Thats priveledge . I used to work at the harbour during my university yrs , guess who was a manager , a white boy who was barely 19 didnt know shyt , to top it of he had no matric . But these old madalaz couldnt even get into such a position .
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whatever, there is no hope for you, hate the whites for your own shortcomings, will you feel better if the white man pays you R10 million, and apologize? IT HAPPENED, MOVE ON, GET OVER IT... i have no idea how old you are [i'm guessing late 20's], but there is still plenty of time to make the most of what you have in front of you RIGHT NOW, stop using the past as an excuse [yes, that is what you are doing], and start working on your future....
 
ToxicBunny said:
Gotta love the way you just change the goal posts when people show you that your twisted, racist view of the world is wrong.
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You live in a different world to mine . You grew up smelling of priviledge , the poorest you can be is probably drive a 2nd hand toyota tazz , so I wouldnt expect you to understand were I am coming from .
 
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