Two robbers shot dead at Sweet 16

OrbitalDawn said:
They don't have to be armed, they just need to threaten your or someone else's life.



So when your kid strolls onto your neighbours' lawn he can shoot him/her, no questions asked. :)
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Haha ja that's a bit hectic. At least one should be able to distinguish between the two. If you shoot a kid you should go to jail, if you shoot a intruder you should get a bells.
 
irBosOtter said:
Haha ja that's a bit hectic. At least one should be able to distinguish between the two. If you shoot a kid you should go to jail, if you shoot a intruder you should get a bells.
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Hence his challenge on 'no questions asked'. Common sense should be applied.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
They don't have to be armed, they just need to threaten your or someone else's life.



So when your kid strolls onto your neighbours' lawn he can shoot him/her, no questions asked. :)
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Sometimes I wish I could shoot the neighbours kid's boyfriend - fecker is around until 2am every morning and makes a fokken geraas when he leaves :mad:
 
AfricanTech said:
Sometimes I wish I could shoot the neighbours kid's boyfriend - fecker is around until 2am every morning and makes a fokken geraas when he leaves :mad:
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That just means no house breakers and robbers will be around 2am in the morning. So you should thank him and his noise :p
 
Drifter said:
Sadly the law states minimum force.
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Please quote relevant law. The way I understand it, self defense in SA is governed by the Criminal Procedures Act (Act No. 51 of 1977). So yes, method of arrest prescribes "reasonably necessary and proportional" force, but lethal force can be reasonable, necessary and proportional.

Section 49 said:
(2) If any arrestor attempts to arrest a suspect and the suspect resists the attempt, or flees, or resists the attempt and flees, when it is clear that an attempt to arrest him or her is being made, and the suspect cannot be arrested without the use of force, the arrestor may, in order to effect the arrest, use such force as may be reasonably necessary and proportional in the circumstances to overcome the resistance or to prevent the suspect from fleeing, but, in addition to the requirement that the force must be reasonably necessary and proportional in the circumstances, the arrestor may use deadly force only if—
(a) the suspect poses a threat of serious violence to the arrestor or any other person; or
(b) the suspect is suspected on reasonable grounds of having committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious bodily harm and there are no other reasonable means of effecting the arrest, whether at that time or later.
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Four robbers broke into a Kempton Park home at 8.30pm on Saturday and pointed firearms at the revellers.

Mofokeng said the police found 14 gun cartridges at the scene, but no firearms were found in the possession of the dead men.
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Where are the firearms?
 
genetic said:
:erm:

You aim at non lethal areas of the body?
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Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. Police and military are trained that if you shoot at someone, you shoot to have the highest chance to hit and stop the target, and that means aiming for the main body mass which is the torso.

Aiming for the legs, arms or head have a much higher chance of missing, and is therefore much less likely to stop the target before he/she can do harm to others. You also run a higher risk of hitting something that's not the target, be it directly behind the target or through a ricochet.

Aiming and firing a gun is far tougher than TV makes it look. Being only slightly off has a large impact on where the bullet lands up going. 1 single degree off can be the difference between a bullseye and completely missing the target. You have to go for the main body mass.
 
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What a lot of people are assuming is that gunfights and gunshot wounds are the same as portrayed in movies and series.

This is why people think guns immediately kill and you can shoot someone in the foot to stop an attack. This is unfortunately very far from the truth. Even shooting someone multiple times centre mass does not necessarily mean death. Single shots rarely stop an attack. It is therefore recommended to aim for centre mass (chest area) and to keep shooting until the attacker stops. This can be 1 shot to a full magazine. Even head shots can't guarantee to stop an attack immediately. I have heard accounts of bullets deflecting off the skull and being stuck in the sinuses or somewhere under the skin without doing substantial damage.
The law states that you should use the minimum necessary force to stop an attack. If an attacker is lying on the ground with a gun in his hand trying to take aim at you, you are still under attack and may fire at him to stop the attack.

What people also fail to realise is that handguns are inherently difficult to shoot accurately due to the short sight radius (distance between rear sight and front sight). As an example, I shoot fairly often (a lot more than what is required by the SAPS for police officers) and at 5m I can hit a R5 coin sized target every time. At 10m this increases to about the diameter of a coffee cup and at 15m the best I can hope for is to hit a standard 20cm target. So trying to hit the foot/leg/hand of an attacker that will do anything not to get shot is almost impossible.

Something that is rarely mentioned is the fact that attackers are often high on tik/nyope/muti and just injuring them is not enough since pain does not really register. Shattering the pelvis will stop them running towards you and damaging other joints (shoulder, elbow, etc) can stop them from using any form of weapon.
 
Perps should've hid in the toilet - it is safer there.

Funny, on my way to the bowling club in Edleen circa 20h50 Saturday evening, emergency tender (1 red, 2 blue) went flying past me and the uber. I wonder if it was the event in question.

In fact, looking at the receipt, I am a little annoyed - Uber hit me with an airport surcharge. I never went to the airport!!!
 
Fortunately he was a cop as opposed to average Joe citizen who is 'discouraged' from arming themselves in self defense.
 
I've said it before, and will say it again : If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

I know that is not on the topic of this thread, but I have to say it in case somebody comes in and want to ban all weapons.
 
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