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Vorastra said:
Why can't I severely beat my child and have him start working at the age of 6 like the good old days.
Silly Libs.
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The objection to child labour spurned many a Marxist/Socialist ... even Marx himself.
 
Moosedrool said:
You do realise before trump started hammering this china virus thing the whole world knew where the virus came from? The isolated xenophobia cases happened in those times.
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Would your mind change if the abuse and harassment of those of Asian decent outside of China was still happening now and had never stopped?
 
Vorastra said:
I'm not even bothering anymore. @Cray was cool, but now not so much.
Oh well.
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If they tell a lie enough, it becomes the truth.

There will be people in this thread right now that still believe the lie greg used to "debunk" what I said about when Trump had that private conversation 11 years ago.

There will also be people in this thread who believe Grant when he said the article I shared has a "false headline", even though he has been unable to tell me which part of it is not accurate.

They are so desperate to "debunk" everything I say or share, and "prove" that I am lying, that they don't care if they have to lie and pretend that I'm wrong. But I'm not allowed to call that kind of behaviour "slimy" or "disgusting" apparently.
 
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rietrot said:
The real threat is them buying up America (and other) businesses. Especially food, food processing, oil.
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a little off-topic - but that's because the topic keeps going off into insanity - this, below, is a really good analysis, especially for a normal media outlet, of China's plays, objectives, and drivers.

www.japantimes.co.jp

China in Africa is more than a land grab

Beijing is after political influence, and its coronavirus aid will count for much.
www.japantimes.co.jp www.japantimes.co.jp

"Beijing can still take advantage and obtain what matters to China: political allies in the United Nations, where Africa accounts for more than a quarter of member states, and clout that in turn influences its relations with great powers. Efforts have already paid off relative to far more expensive gambits, like its rapprochement with Pakistan. Given the pandemic, collapsing oil, a disinterested U.S. and a distracted Europe, it can do so more cheaply than ever.

To be clear, mineral riches and mercantile interests do matter. China’s companies are eyeing a young, growing population of 1.3 billion consumers. Shenzhen Transsion Holdings Co., a mobile-phone maker focused on Africa, priced its 2019 initial public offering in Shanghai at a price-earnings valuation twice that of Apple Inc. Telecom equipment maker Huawei Technologies Co. does brisk business there.

Even so, Africa represents less than 5 percent of Beijing’s $4 trillion of annual global trade. The real great game is about securing a Chinese candidate at the head of the Food and Agriculture Organization; getting a friendly one at the World Health Organization; and landing the country’s first overseas military base. Considering more countries attended President Xi Jinping’s 2018 African summit than the U.N. General Assembly held a few weeks later, there’s plenty to build on."
 
daelm said:
a little off-topic - but that's because the topic keeps going off into insanity - this, below, is a really good analysis, especially for a normal media outlet, of China's plays, objectives, and drivers.

www.japantimes.co.jp

China in Africa is more than a land grab

Beijing is after political influence, and its coronavirus aid will count for much.
www.japantimes.co.jp www.japantimes.co.jp

"Beijing can still take advantage and obtain what matters to China: political allies in the United Nations, where Africa accounts for more than a quarter of member states, and clout that in turn influences its relations with great powers. Efforts have already paid off relative to far more expensive gambits, like its rapprochement with Pakistan. Given the pandemic, collapsing oil, a disinterested U.S. and a distracted Europe, it can do so more cheaply than ever.

To be clear, mineral riches and mercantile interests do matter. China’s companies are eyeing a young, growing population of 1.3 billion consumers. Shenzhen Transsion Holdings Co., a mobile-phone maker focused on Africa, priced its 2019 initial public offering in Shanghai at a price-earnings valuation twice that of Apple Inc. Telecom equipment maker Huawei Technologies Co. does brisk business there.

Even so, Africa represents less than 5 percent of Beijing’s $4 trillion of annual global trade. The real great game is about securing a Chinese candidate at the head of the Food and Agriculture Organization; getting a friendly one at the World Health Organization; and landing the country’s first overseas military base. Considering more countries attended President Xi Jinping’s 2018 African summit than the U.N. General Assembly held a few weeks later, there’s plenty to build on."
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Wait until people realise that Africa is becoming China's China.
 
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Vorastra said:
Wait until people realise that Africa is becoming China's China.
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"The real great game is about securing a Chinese candidate at the head of the Food and Agriculture Organization"

... is really big for them. a lot of people don't know that China, for all its landmass, doesn't have as much arable land as you'd think, and rapid urbanization is making that worse.
 

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netstrider said:
It was known as the Wuhan virus long before it ever became the coronavirus. When CNN reported it as the Wuhan virus it was not xenophobic. Since trump called it the Wuhan virus and China virus it suddenly became taboo.

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Anyway, who wouldn't know which disease is being referred to when it's called the China virus?
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No it wasn't. It was known as 'a new SARS-like virus'.
arstechnica.com

Never-before-seen virus may be behind mystery outbreak in China

Investigators have already ruled out SARS and other obvious culprits, officials say.
arstechnica.com arstechnica.com

2021 said:
If they are on your ignore list, how did you see their valid points?
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Someone who wasn't blocked replied, so I peeked behind the curtain. I have learnt my lesson.
 
Vorastra said:
Wait until people realise that Africa is becoming China's China.
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i posted this way back when in a different thread. (was about covid conspiracies, but the comment holds.)

China - in their mind - only recently came out of a self-imposed mass hypnosis/dark ages that was indescribably horrific and still leaves them with cultural PTSD. they've taken a long, slow, and hyper-cautious route towards building economic power, and with that seeming to have come, they've sought influence. when you scan the world, there aren't that many regions that they could build power in. most of the key global power bases were relatively settled by the 20th-century realpolitik clashes (think the oil regions, the large mineral regions, etc.) they're not "stable", but they're in these kinds of violent stable equilibria and they're not as easy for a new power to enter and disrupt.

Africa, on the other hand, was relatively open, and a big part of the Chinese initial interest was barely political and pretty basic. it was about locking up arable land and agribusiness, because despite being an enormous landmass, they've got relative poor arable land and an exponentially growing population. so they bought up land for a long time - Mozambiqe's agribusiness is something like 70% Chinese controlled - and this predictably caused a backlash. then they shifted approach to things like BRICS and ramped up aid and started debt relief and the like, positioning China as the spokesman for the developing world.
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pragmatically, they need agribusiness extensions because they have a population problem. politically, they need a voting bloc. a lot of what they do is easy to understand in those terms.
 
STS said:
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I have no idea how that is in any way relevant to this thread, or the quote I shared.

It seems like you're so used to discrediting the source of anything you don't like, that you're attempting to discredit the source of "Will someone please hide the pens from Joe at the White House?"... o_O
 
buka001 said:
Your post in your own words pushing Davids theories and connecting it to a case of fraud.

You made the connection, you boosted his propaganda.

You lay with him. Now you have his fleas on you.
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So, nothing then. Thought so.
Now tell me about this child labour thing and communists.
 
DavidFreeman said:
I have no idea how that is in any way relevant to this thread, or the quote I shared.

It seems like you're so used to discrediting the source of anything you don't like, that you're attempting to discredit the source of "Will someone please hide the pens from Joe at the White House?"... o_O
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It's called hypocrisy - a woman that can't stick to a speed limit, buckle her kids into their chairs, wear a seatbelt, change their license plates in time and not kill someone with her vehicle on multiple incidents years apart should not be lecturing a man on pens
 
daelm said:
i posted this way back when in a different thread. (was about covid conspiracies, but the comment holds.)



pragmatically, they need agribusiness extensions because they have a population problem. politically, they need a voting bloc. a lot of what they do is easy to understand in those terms.
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You gotta admit though, they're doing a good job convincing Africans they're doing good work.

China coming in and building infrastructure themselves rather than giving it as money to corrupt African politicians is a masterstroke.

Africans in whatever country have their opinions of China improved, and China's propped up construction sector has projects.

For the last few years, the Chinese government are even attempting to fix their 1 child policy, which resulted in a female shortage, by incentivising Chinese men to start families with locals.
 
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It's called hypocrisy - a woman that can't stick to a speed limit, buckle her kids into their chairs, wear a seatbelt, change their license plates in time and not kill someone with her vehicle on multiple incidents years apart should not be lecturing a man on pens
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The left has absolutely no grounds to call out hypocrisy for the next 200 years. There's no point in anyone else pointing out the left's never ending hypocrisy, because none of you care. If being hypocrisy helps the left, you'll be hypocritical. If lying helps the left, you'll lie.
 
DavidFreeman said:
The left has absolutely no grounds to call out hypocrisy for the next 200 years. There's no point in anyone else pointing out the left's never ending hypocrisy, because none of you care. If being hypocrisy helps the left, you'll be hypocritical. If lying helps the left, you'll lie.
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I am all for people making mistakes, they just mustn't open their big whore mouths when they have their own problems.

But seriously, somebody should hide her car keys, if not her car.
 
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