UK Elections 2016

[The Voice]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2016/london/results

 

[The Voice]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2016/london/results

Doesn't show the secondary, but that's how the first picks ended.

 

[The Voice]

Bah, lagged and quoted myself instead of editing /facepalm

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Doesn't show the secondary, but that's how the first picks ended.

Thanks, much better than what other sites are showing. Am still shocked that Galloway managed to muster 36,000+ votes.

 

[TriGuN]

You showed me the way. I didn't think it was possible to find someone so quickly. Many thanks

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Coming from a socially conservative muslim who likes to call himself "liberal".. and yet by "liberal" he actually means more socially conservative than the conservatives, and economically left wing.. So, not liberal at all, actually. You are politically illiterate, let's be honest. And that's the only reason anyone would try to take the Greens seriously, like you did during the general election.

It's only white British that falls below 50% at 44.9% (which is still a long way from "no British people left"), is that what you are referring to?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm referring to. British people, not British citizens.

When I say "Chinese people", do you think of ethnic Han (even if they were born outside of China and don't hold citizenship), or do you think of a white guy holding Chinese citizenship?

Don't get technical, from the stats and the context it's obvious what I meant.

Just out of curiosity, TriGun, do you feel you have any racist views?

Depends on what definition of racist you are using, there are so many these days. Some include everyone, some include no one, because they are strawmen.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

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Coming from a socially conservative muslim who likes to call himself "liberal".. and yet by "liberal" he actually means more socially conservative than the conservatives, and economically left wing.. So, not liberal at all, actually. You are politically illiterate, let's be honest. And that's the only reason anyone would try to take the Greens seriously, like you did during the general election.

I don't call myself liberal, it's your lot who coined the term and it is in fact incorrect in many ways. The only reason I would accept the term is because it has been thrust on people like me by people like you. Trying to explain to you okes as to why it is in fact incorrect has proven to be an impossible task, so don't put the issues of your brethren onto me.

And as for your tirade above, nothing actually points to me being "politically illiterate", which would point to a lack of knowledge regarding politics....which you actually haven't proven in the slightest .

Yes, that's exactly what I'm referring to. British people, not British citizens.

When I say "Chinese people", do you think of ethnic Han (even if they were born outside of China and don't hold citizenship), or do you think of a white guy holding Chinese citizenship?

So you admit that you simply made up your claim that hardly any British people in London? As far as I can see, they are the majority and so still hold sway in London.

They may not be the type you prefer, but they are still British

Depends on what definition of racist you are using, there are so many these days. Some include everyone, some include no one, because they are strawmen.

Nice way of avoiding the question.....not really

Edit: my mistake, you did not say there were hardly any British people in London, you said there were no British people in London. Would that be " demographically illiterate" ?

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

Labour coming third in Scotland...lol.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Labour coming third in Scotland...lol.

Yeah, by quite a bit. I lol'd at that as well. Shows that politics is dynamic and not as static as it's made out to be sometimes.

Could you imagine labour being 3rd 10 years back?

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Labour coming third in Scotland...lol.

Oh yeah, and they are winning everywhere else, or that's how they are making it sound.

"We didn't lose seats as badly as expected, and therefore we count this election as a success!!!"

Net gains so far are for UKIP and LibDems. Am happy for both oddly enough, I quite like the possibility that there are still potential challengers to the big 2 for the future, it keeps them relatively honest that way

 

[The Voice]

Oh yeah, and they are winning everywhere else, or that's how they are making it sound.

"We didn't lose seats as badly as expected, and therefore we count this election as a success!!!"

Net gains so far are for UKIP and LibDems. Am happy for both oddly enough, I quite like the possibility that there are still potential challengers to the big 2 for the future, it keeps them relatively honest that way

Quite like UKiP. Labour also didn't do too well in Wales I believe. Will be interesting to see how it all looks once the dust has settled.

And then it's onto the EU referendum. I really hope more people vote then - it'll count for a lot more.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Quite like UKiP. Labour also didn't do too well in Wales I believe. Will be interesting to see how it all looks once the dust has settled.

And then it's onto the EU referendum. I really hope more people vote then - it'll count for a lot more.

Which side are you on in the EU Referendum? Am assuming Leave?

 

[Hamish McPanji]

 

[The Voice]

Which side are you on in the EU Referendum? Am assuming Leave?

I'm voting leave, yes

 

[Hamish McPanji]

I'm voting leave, yes

Well, we should all vote for what we think is best for us. And they gained 2 seats in the London assembly.

They said midnight for the final result, is that still on?

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Final mayoral candidate results out. 2nd count has Khan winning by 13 points.

 

[TriGuN]

I don't call myself liberal

Good, because I just explained to you why you aren't. Muslims like to call themselves liberal or progressive when around whitey, but practically none of them are. Not the voters, and not the politicians.

Trying to explain to you okes as to why it is in fact incorrect has proven to be an impossible task

I did it for you.

And as for your tirade above, nothing actually points to me being "politically illiterate", which would point to a lack of knowledge regarding politics....which you actually haven't proven in the slightest .

You've defended the Greens.. How much worse could it get?

So you admit that you simply made up your claim that hardly any British people in London? As far as I can see, they are the majority and so still hold sway in London.

They may not be the type you prefer, but they are still British

Well, if I was defining only British citizens that I like as British, then there would be very few British people in London. Far less than there are white British people in London.

Nice way of avoiding the question.....not really

I'm not avoiding the question, he can go ahead and define it if he wants an answer. I'm not just going to assume what he's talking about and say yes or no.

Edit: my mistake, you did not say there were hardly any British people in London, you said there were no British people in London. Would that be " demographically illiterate" ?

Damning, how you managed to call out my exaggeration. And to think, if you hadn't done that, people reading would have thought that there were literally NO white Britons in London.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Good, because I just explained to you why you aren't. Muslims like to call themselves liberal or progressive when around whitey, but practically none of them are. Not the voters, and not the politicians.

Muslims like me? Do you actually know any Muslim people? Apart from what you read in the news, I mean

I did it for you.

No. You did it for you.

You've defended the Greens.. How much worse could it get?

Is that the entirety of your argument?

Well, if I was defining only British citizens that I like as British, then there would be very few British people in London. Far less than there are white British people in London.

There are none apparently. According to you

Damning, how you managed to call out my exaggeration. And to think, if you hadn't done that, people reading would have thought that there were literally NO white Britons in London.

Well, that was your claim, not mine. And it was your explanation for something or the other that you got called out on.

 

[TriGuN]

Is that the entirety of your argument?

No. I don't ever remember being impressed with your knowledge or analysis of politics.
Defending the Greens was just a memorable low point for you, and it's all I need, because it's THAT outlandish.

Alarming, once you consider what the Greens consider to be "perfect", given their positions.

Anti borders
Pro mass immigration
Want to make it legal to belong to islamic terrorist organisations
Undermine the use of the loaded term "terrorist"
Scrap Nuclear weapons
Disband the military except for a small peace keeping force
Convert the arms industry into producing wind turbines
Leave NATO
Access to benefits and voting would apply to everyone on British soil (concept of a British National is irrelevant and outdated)
Massive increase in foreign aid with the aim of international wealth redistribution until "the world is more equal", obviously that would be a very long fall for Britain and Europe.
Drastically reduce imprisonment, give prisoners the vote.

We don't even need to look at all of the other things they want to do without being able to explain how they would afford it.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Summary of results

England

Hardly any net changes (changes indicated in brackets)

Councils
Labour 57 (-1)
Conservatives 34 (0)
LibDems 4 (+1)
No Overall Control 23

Councillors
Labour 1280 (-24)
Conservatives 753 (-35)
LibDems 341 (+39)
UKIP 58 (+26)


Scotland

SNP 63 (-6)
Conservatives 31 (+16)
Labour lose 24 (-13)
Greens gain 6 (+4)
LibDems 5 (0)

SNP lose 6 seats and their majority. Conservatives relegate Labour to 3rd place, an unprecedented result

Wales

Labour on 29 (-1) No majority
Plaid Cymru 12 (+1)
Conservatives 11 (-3)
UKIP 7(+7)
LibDems 1(-4)

UKIP did extremely well. Plaid Cymru replaces Conservatives as 2nd party

Northern Ireland

They changed the rules this year, so it's complicated.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

No. I don't ever remember being impressed with your knowledge or analysis of politics.
Defending the Greens was just a memorable low point for you, and it's all I need, because it's THAT outlandish.

Well, you should answer yes, because it does increasingly seem to be the entirety of your argument. You haven't actually come up with anything else

And you don't seem to be impressed with any knowledge or analysis of politics that differs from your personal opinion, so am actually ecstatic that I have qualified.

We don't even need to look at all of the other things they want to do without being able to explain how they would afford it.

Impressive list you came up with there. Is that from the Greens website, or is that just the same exaggeration that you seem to excel at.

And all political parties make these BS promises that they can't possibly afford. That is the nature of the game. What makes the Greens any different?

And am assuming from your lack of response (which seems normal for you when asked a seemingly straightforward yet telling question) about the Muslim accusation that you don't actually know any Muslims (barring the TV ones).