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Question of the Day: Do you think Bafana Bafana will win tonight?
Uncapped local has arrived
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Dan C
Honorary Master
IS Local Accounts
Just got 10gig local account at R70 and can access all international sites including torrents, downloads, radio stations. Bit slower but all works fine. Anyone else have this ?
Just got 10gig local account at R70 and can access all international sites including torrents, downloads, radio stations. Bit slower but all works fine. Anyone else have this ?
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
Often is like that. Don't think it will last very long. Perhaps one or two resets...
Dan C
Honorary Master
Cool , I'll use it until it disappears. Then use my Telkom account till it gets capped and hopefully this local uncapped comes true. Can always fall back on a pre-paid 1gig if desperate.
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
Jonny Two Shoes
Expert Member
Sorry then, look like I were getting exited about nothing!! Maybe I should order the 3Gb advanced option and when I get capped complain at Telkom Customer Service - it really is not my problem if the page is outdated!! It's not fair that they give wrong information on the signup page!!!
Whatever the contract says, if you sign it then it is yours
so sue them if they don't give you the uncapped local 
They can't very well stand in front of a judge and say EISH the contract!! it was outdated.
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
ISPs in one building
When doing work in England, I noticed that they have one massive building with ISPs from all over the world, and I think even Telkom are in there. In fact it is regulation in the United States that their ISPs have a pop site outside their country, London is a major spot then for this. The reason why they have this in one building is so they don't have to go through BT to inter-connect all the networks together as they are on private property and will therefore use their own private network, this will solve alot of the bandwidth issues, obviously the ISP still will have links going outside to connect to their external networks. Now my question is there such a building in South Afirca. I think the ISPs should have 5 of these buildings, one in each major city, and then share the costs for a big pipe from Telkom to interconnect these buildings.
Also what enfuriates me, Telkom executives go on these expensive trips to England to see how its done in British Telecom, they then tell us some half baked story (when I was in Telkom). I get so angry now when I see it for myself. The whole structure is so artificial. Think about, if you are an ISP, you can request for a fibre link to be put in from point A to B, then you can choose to buy maybe a Cisco 10Gig GSR or WDM or what ever, have a 40Gig system even then bobs your Uncle. BUT NO, Telkom WILL put that in for you, put their OWN equipment on either side and then drain the bank accounts the higher the bandwidth you want. Basically the whole of Telkom's bread and butter network infrastructure is under major threat, and they know this. Sure not any company can simply put a fibre cable all the way to England (its an astounding feat), but internally within South Africa you should have 3 companies competing with each other to simply put fibre in, and lease out the fibre as an order to go, every new property devolpment should have a fibre, the cost is not on actual cable, but digging up the ground to put it in.
This whole 2nd network operator thing is also a load of bull. The only problem is the last mile (copper network), that is something that can't be done so easily. BT was so scared of their regulator, that they split the company in 2 and the copper network is a private entity that can be rented out to any operator that will pay. Why should only NEOTEL benifit from this unbundling.
When doing work in England, I noticed that they have one massive building with ISPs from all over the world, and I think even Telkom are in there. In fact it is regulation in the United States that their ISPs have a pop site outside their country, London is a major spot then for this. The reason why they have this in one building is so they don't have to go through BT to inter-connect all the networks together as they are on private property and will therefore use their own private network, this will solve alot of the bandwidth issues, obviously the ISP still will have links going outside to connect to their external networks. Now my question is there such a building in South Afirca. I think the ISPs should have 5 of these buildings, one in each major city, and then share the costs for a big pipe from Telkom to interconnect these buildings.
Also what enfuriates me, Telkom executives go on these expensive trips to England to see how its done in British Telecom, they then tell us some half baked story (when I was in Telkom). I get so angry now when I see it for myself. The whole structure is so artificial. Think about, if you are an ISP, you can request for a fibre link to be put in from point A to B, then you can choose to buy maybe a Cisco 10Gig GSR or WDM or what ever, have a 40Gig system even then bobs your Uncle. BUT NO, Telkom WILL put that in for you, put their OWN equipment on either side and then drain the bank accounts the higher the bandwidth you want. Basically the whole of Telkom's bread and butter network infrastructure is under major threat, and they know this. Sure not any company can simply put a fibre cable all the way to England (its an astounding feat), but internally within South Africa you should have 3 companies competing with each other to simply put fibre in, and lease out the fibre as an order to go, every new property devolpment should have a fibre, the cost is not on actual cable, but digging up the ground to put it in.
This whole 2nd network operator thing is also a load of bull. The only problem is the last mile (copper network), that is something that can't be done so easily. BT was so scared of their regulator, that they split the company in 2 and the copper network is a private entity that can be rented out to any operator that will pay. Why should only NEOTEL benifit from this unbundling.
Roman4604
Executive Member
Yes, its more of a room than a building, and its called JINX (Joburg INternet eXchange). Everyone's there except you know who .... Telkom.
The problem (besides Telkom's non-participation) is there isnt a huge benefit cost wise, cos the only ppl who can supply you a link to get to JINX is Telkom themselves, so you end up paying them anyway. For this reason most big ISPs also (primarily) peer directly, bypassing JINX.
There used to be a CINX (Cape Town INternet eXchange), however it was closed down due to lack of interest (for the reasons above).
We can only dream of the day our gov wakes up to the benefits of this and give our regulator the neccessary clout to demand this of Telkom.
bekdik
Honorary Master
Whatever the contract says, if you sign it then it is yours
They can't very well stand in front of a judge and say EISH the contract!! it was outdated.
Yes they can. One of the first thing the contract says is that they can alter the terms and conditions at any time ...
The reason they were scared as far as I can rememeber was that they didn't want the regulator to split them into tiny little pieces, so they did the obvious themselves. Basically, the private operators that unbundled in the exchanges (like Neotel is going to be doing in South Africa) accused BT of having an unfair advantage in that they could reserve copper pairs when there were capacity shortages, the private guys wanted an independant company that would deal on a first come first basis, and they got what they wanted. Unlike Telkom, where alot of rich poeple want to safe guard their wealth, without truely benifiting the masses.
Telkom are little guppies outside South Africa
Yeah, thks for the answer, but when they peer directly, they still need Telkom to supply those peering links, if they were all in the same building they can peer as much as they like, but I suppose JINX handles this anyway, & they probably have a big pipe going to London and America from there. Its quite funny Telkom not being at JINX, but at the London Pop, they are little guppies outside South Africa.
Yeah, thks for the answer, but when they peer directly, they still need Telkom to supply those peering links, if they were all in the same building they can peer as much as they like, but I suppose JINX handles this anyway, & they probably have a big pipe going to London and America from there. Its quite funny Telkom not being at JINX, but at the London Pop, they are little guppies outside South Africa.
Yeah, Ofcom even threatened to break them up because they weren't unbundling fast enough, imagine ICASA doing that!