Understanding Halal Certification Schemes

ponder said:
Thing is they are also a minority. The only way to stop this halal crap is to boycott the halal stores and products in shops carrying the halal sign. Problem is sa consumers are the most apathetic around.
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>>Problem is sa consumers are the most apathetic around.
In fact SA consumers are much more tolerant & patient and understanding than the halaal fanatics. Halaal brigade will continue to paint their "minority victim" status ad nauseum.
 
NAG - Wesley said:
This is one of my peeves because I cannot shop at any Steers that has a Halal certification because they either drop bacon from their menu or use macon, which tastes rather different. It is ridiculous. I have no religion, I subscribe to nothing of the sort, but I must be affected by the rules and regulations some of these religions impose on people who may or may not be their followers?

Its just like BEE. When you get to certain levels within the BEE structure and you can only increase your BEE rating by buying from other BEE companies and if you're a level 1 you can only buy from level 1-compliant businesses in order to keep your rating, then you just have to sit for a moment and wonder who is doing what with all the money these certification schemes make. Boggles the mind.
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It makes business sense for some of the stores to be halaal. Look at Overport in Durban for example. Majority Muslims in that area.
So all the stores are halaal.
They are not going to cut down on ~90% of their customers just cos you decide you want bacon one day.
In some areas like gateway mall there are 2 steers one halaal one not on different sides of the mall.

But if there are no Muslims in the area then it doesn't make sense for the franchise to be halaal
 
does beth din also impose a tax on manufacturers as the halal certifiers do, for parev certification ?

i do know in supermarkets where kosher food is supervised in-store, the supermarkets are not charged for this service, it is supplied free of charge by beth did as a service to their jewish community
 
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Its amazing how these minority religions are somehow more important than the mainstream...
 
Can we have a thread with non-Halal restaurants and products?
I do not want to fund the muslim brotherhood, the growth of their religion, Sharia law, or terrorists. :(
 
Keeper said:
Can we have a thread with non-Halal restaurants and products?
I do not want to fund the muslim brotherhood, the growth of their religion, Sharia law, or terrorists. :(
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I really do enjoy shopping at Woolworths but they're so deep in with the halaal certification board it's disturbing. Even their fcking pickles are halaal.
 
NAG - Wesley said:
Which is a reason that I'm happy to accept if I'm in a country with a majority religion or a local culture that I have to respect. But how many followers of Islam are there in the country? By Google's reckoning together with Wikipedia, Christianity leads with almost 80% adoption in this country. Islam in 2007 was at less than 1.5% (most recent stats I could find in the last 15 minutes). I can understand making accommodations for people whose religions are different to yours, but I can't get behind changing or dropping something from the menu, or a supplier or a service provider entirely because a Halal certification was so important to a relatively small portion of the population (thus, a small portion of the profits and revenue the business would bring in as a result).

There are good aspects to the certification that I can agree with, however, like stricter hygiene standards and tighter procedures. But overall, it just doesn't make sense to me. If the business case is there and it's beneficial to the business' bottom line, then okay, by all means.
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this has nothing to do with minority or majority of which country you are in. I don't recall muslims throwing tantrums that Steers was or wasn't halaal, I'm almost sure this was a decision Steers made because as a company it values the business of muslims.

If they valued your business, they wouldn't have halaal certification, thats the bottom line. It all comes down to the bottom line and if you can demonstrate to any business its more profitable to not have halaal certification, I can guarentee you they won't.
 
Keeper said:
Can we have a thread with non-Halal restaurants and products?
I do not want to fund the muslim brotherhood, the growth of their religion, Sharia law, or terrorists. :(
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Yeah, and at the same time can i get a list of forums where people aren't complete.... :whistle:
 
i find it rather intriguing that even though haram business practices are used during the production of goods, given the money, certifying bodies will issue a halal certificate.

but hey
the muslim judicial council did after all certify pork in cape town as halal !!
 
NAG - Wesley said:
This is one of my peeves because I cannot shop at any Steers that has a Halal certification because they either drop bacon from their menu or use macon, which tastes rather different. It is ridiculous. I have no religion, I subscribe to nothing of the sort, but I must be affected by the rules and regulations some of these religions impose on people who may or may not be their followers?
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Its actually got to do with the food preperation and packaging at the warehouse, not really the end product.

Many of the workers in the food factories are muslim, and therefore refuse to work on food preparation that is not halaal certified.
They cannot unfortunately be fired, or not hired due to their belief, so instead food producers have dropped pork and non-halaal ingredients from the supply line.
i.e. Bully Beef used to be made with pork fat, nowadays it is halaal chicken fat instead due to the issues it created.

At the end of the day ,if it has a halaal certificate , just dont buy it or eat in that establishment.
 
Nanfeishen said:
Its actually got to do with the food preperation and packaging at the warehouse, not really the end product.

Many of the workers in the food factories are muslim, and therefore refuse to work on food preparation that is not halaal certified.
They cannot unfortunately be fired, or not hired due to their belief, so instead food producers have dropped pork and non-halaal ingredients from the supply line.
i.e. Bully Beef used to be made with pork fat, nowadays it is halaal chicken fat instead due to the issues it created.

At the end of the day ,if it has a halaal certificate , just dont buy it or eat in that establishment.
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I disagree, go to a Pick and Pay and you will see muslim staff handling alchohol and other non halaal products, the one in Strand street in the CBD is a prime example of this, they even work in the new liquor shop.
 
saturnz said:
I disagree, go to a Pick and Pay and you will see muslim staff handling alchohol and other non halaal products, the one in Strand street in the CBD is a prime example of this, they even work in the new liquor shop.
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Yes, hypocrisy , synonymous with ..... !
 
Google Dick Smith /Halal certification.
Somes it all up nicely and you can then be off for a takeaway of your choice.
 
Suspect99 said:
It makes business sense for some of the stores to be halaal. Look at Overport in Durban for example. Majority Muslims in that area.
So all the stores are halaal.
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And that I'm fine with. I don't expect to go into Chinatown at the PE Boardwalk and be able to order a burger at chips at the restaurants there.

saturnz said:
If they valued your business, they wouldn't have halaal certification, thats the bottom line.
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I see your point now. Well, I guess I'll have to stay at home more and cook what I want and those businesses will lose out on my money.

Nanfeishen said:
Many of the workers in the food factories are muslim, and therefore refuse to work on food preparation that is not halaal certified.
They cannot unfortunately be fired, or not hired due to their belief, so instead food producers have dropped pork and non-halaal ingredients from the supply line.
i.e. Bully Beef used to be made with pork fat, nowadays it is halaal chicken fat instead due to the issues it created.
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As I've come to understand it, the actual preparation of meat doesn't seem to be a problem, it's the consumption of foods that may have certain forbidden animal products in them that are considered haram and the method in which the animals are slaughtered (including the requirement to have a Muslim say Allah's name and recite something like "God is greatest"). This also includes things like medicine and supplements that may have animal products in them as well as, including the example you pointed out, mixed meats.

And I don't have a problem with that either. Even the Koran says that if a Muslim is offered food prepared by Christians they are allowed to eat it, as they tolerate those "who follow the scriptures" and the Koran notes that anything permissable for a Christian is okay if that's what you're being offered.
 
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It is amazing that Australians would have an issue with this given that muslims make up 2% of their population.

Did the video state that muslims world wide total 780million and account for 43% of all people? these figures cannot be right as we have close to 7 billion ppl in the world.
 
The video is obviously biased but it still pointed out that a halal certification quote of australian $1000. That is a negligent increase in the price of the end product, over the years the certification lasts for, considering the cost is divided by the number of muslims customers buying. So to suggest that you are somehow subsidizing the muslim community is misleading.

Side note: If this was about Jewish dietary certifications this thread would no doubt be labelled anti-Semitic, which it would be, but since it's muslims we'll just continue the hate...
 
Lycanthrope said:
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[video=youtube;YVPngzSE94o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YVPngzSE94o[/video]

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What a load of hogwash.
Very bad portrayal of Halal, not even based on facts.
 
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