Understanding Halal Certification Schemes

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i have a question:

is a product halal if the company uses "western" banking systems, ie paying & receiving interest as part of their transactions in order to supply a halal product ?
 
grantza said:
i have a question:

is a product halal if the company uses "western" banking systems, ie paying & receiving interest as part of their transactions in order to supply a halal product ?
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They make it up as they go along depending on how much money they think they squeeze out of us Infidels. They usually only require the end product to be 'halaal' ie. no pork, alcohol, religious slaughter if meat etc. but now they're moving to demand entire supply chains be certified ie. staffing, transport, buildings...everything; just to certify a bottle of honey or toothbrush. It's a huge racket & the certifying bodies are constantly at each others' throats in an effort to corner the market.
 
Local halaal guy ( supplies halaal food from his' halaal outlet when we have halaal guests ) usually buys a bacon, egg & cheese sarmie every morning from us....go figure
 
mike6870 said:
Local halaal guy ( supplies halaal food from his' halaal outlet when we have halaal guests ) usually buys a bacon, egg & cheese sarmie every morning from us....go figure
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There's X-contamination everywhere; traces of everything are on/in everything else if you look long/hard enough, unless everything is kept entirely separate, which is too expensive for most businesses. I don't want these pork chops any more, I think I'll just leave it here on these fresh chicken pieces. Halaal? Sorry, dunno what you're on about...people leave stuff all over supermarkets, you know...
 
This is one of my peeves because I cannot shop at any Steers that has a Halal certification because they either drop bacon from their menu or use macon, which tastes rather different. It is ridiculous. I have no religion, I subscribe to nothing of the sort, but I must be affected by the rules and regulations some of these religions impose on people who may or may not be their followers?

Its just like BEE. When you get to certain levels within the BEE structure and you can only increase your BEE rating by buying from other BEE companies and if you're a level 1 you can only buy from level 1-compliant businesses in order to keep your rating, then you just have to sit for a moment and wonder who is doing what with all the money these certification schemes make. Boggles the mind.
 
It is time that retailers remove all religious 'certifications' and pass on those savings to the consumer.

It is unfair for the majority to pay for the indulgences of a tiny minority. If any religion wants the products certified then they should pay the retailer.
 
NAG - Wesley said:
This is one of my peeves because I cannot shop at any Steers that has a Halal certification because they either drop bacon from their menu or use macon, which tastes rather different. It is ridiculous. I have no religion, I subscribe to nothing of the sort, but I must be affected by the rules and regulations some of these religions impose on people who may or may not be their followers?

Its just like BEE. When you get to certain levels within the BEE structure and you can only increase your BEE rating by buying from other BEE companies and if you're a level 1 you can only buy from level 1-compliant businesses in order to keep your rating, then you just have to sit for a moment and wonder who is doing what with all the money these certification schemes make. Boggles the mind.
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Its only profit motive. Steers values the business of muslims more than it values your business, and if it wants the business of muslims this is what it has to do, simple.

When you alone are accountable for making a business profitable, then I'm sure they will bend to your whims and fancies.
 
Stochos said:
It is time that retailers remove all religious 'certifications' and pass on those savings to the consumer.

It is unfair for the majority to pay for the indulgences of a tiny minority. If any religion wants the products certified then they should pay the retailer.
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They don't have to remove them. They just need to switch to a model that is funded differently. People who want the certification need to fund it directly.
 
saturnz said:
Its only profit motive. Steers values the business of muslims more than it values your business, and if it wants the business of muslims this is what it has to do, simple.
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Which is a reason that I'm happy to accept if I'm in a country with a majority religion or a local culture that I have to respect. But how many followers of Islam are there in the country? By Google's reckoning together with Wikipedia, Christianity leads with almost 80% adoption in this country. Islam in 2007 was at less than 1.5% (most recent stats I could find in the last 15 minutes). I can understand making accommodations for people whose religions are different to yours, but I can't get behind changing or dropping something from the menu, or a supplier or a service provider entirely because a Halal certification was so important to a relatively small portion of the population (thus, a small portion of the profits and revenue the business would bring in as a result).

There are good aspects to the certification that I can agree with, however, like stricter hygiene standards and tighter procedures. But overall, it just doesn't make sense to me. If the business case is there and it's beneficial to the business' bottom line, then okay, by all means.
 
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NAG - Wesley said:
Which is a reason that I'm happy to accept if I'm in a country with a majority religion or a local culture that I have to respect. But how many followers of Islam are there in the country? By Google's reckoning together with Wikipedia, Christianity leads with almost 80% adoption in this country. Islam in 2007 was at less than 1.5% (most recent stats I could find in the last 15 minutes). I can understand making accommodations for people whose religions are different to yours, but I can't get behind changing or dropping something from the menu, or a supplier or a service provider entirely because a Halal certification was so important to a relatively small portion of the population (thus, a small portion of the profits and revenue the business would bring in as a result).

There are good aspects to the certification that I can agree with, however, like stricter hygiene standards and tighter procedures. But overall, it just doesn't make sense to me. If the business case is there and it's beneficial to the business' bottom line, then okay, by all means.
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/waits for Muslim buying power excuse.
 
NAG - Wesley said:
This is one of my peeves because I cannot shop at any Steers that has a Halal certification because they either drop bacon from their menu or use macon, which tastes rather different. It is ridiculous. I have no religion, I subscribe to nothing of the sort, but I must be affected by the rules and regulations some of these religions impose on people who may or may not be their followers?
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Thing is they are also a minority. The only way to stop this halal crap is to boycott the halal stores and products in shops carrying the halal sign. Problem is sa consumers are the most apathetic around.
 
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