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Senate Republicans stuck in quarantine as chaos unfolds over coronavirus bill

The fate of a third coronavirus response bill -- a massive amalgam of stimulus checks and other economic aid -- has been only further clouded by the fact that five Republican senators remain stuck in quarantine.
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The fate of a third coronavirus response bill -- a massive amalgam of stimulus checks and other economic aid -- has been only further clouded by the fact that five Republican senators remain stuck in quarantine.

The package was blocked by Senate Democrats late Sunday, leading to fiery condemnations from GOP colleagues. But the math is made even harder for majority Republicans as more and more of their members are forced to the sidelines, unable to vote.
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More karma.
 
greg0205 said:
I do, but don't let that stop you strawmanning a point I made about Americans.
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So you want the American's to trust the government with their healthcare, but you won't do the same? That isn't a strawman argument, it is an argument about principles.

This is the main reason why I cannot support any single payer system for healthcare, as it would be wildly hypocritical of me to want people in the US be subject to a system that I wouldn't dare to use. I can't advocate for a solution to a problem if I am not willing to use said solution.

US healthcare is very good if you can pay for it. So the problem isn't the management, it is the financing of it. As this little pandemic has shown everyone, most of the regulations in healthcare are stupid, and unnecessarily raise the cost of healthcare. For example, regulations around face masks:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ks-available-doctors-nurses-white-house-says/

That is something that needs 0 regulations, as medical professionals are easily competent enough to determine what masks are effective and what are not. Yet Pappa government had to step in and make the decision for people.
 
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greg0205 said:
I'll make a Liz Warren stan of you eventually...

Elizabeth Warren’s ambitious new bill to lower generic drug prices, explained
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Hey if that is the case then I support her on that front.

I don't know if the President can actually do anything in terms of medicine pricing if they want to, but if they can then you can blame every US President since forever (when the drug companies got their foot in the door) for not doing anything about it. That includes Trump.
 
SoldierMan said:
More karama? Yeah let the people have it. Give it to the people up the a**. Way to go Democrats.
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Democrats Block Senate Coronavirus Bill, Calling It A 'Corporate Bailout'

They're calling for more funding to hospitals and health care workers.
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We’re not here to create a slush fund for Donald Trump and his family, or a slush fund for the Treasury Department to be able to hand out to their friends. ~Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.)
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konfab said:
So you want the American's to trust the government with their healthcare, but you won't do the same? That isn't a strawman argument, it is an argument about principles.

This is the main reason why I cannot support any single payer system for healthcare, as it would be wildly hypocritical of me to want people in the US be subject to a system that I wouldn't dare to use. I can't advocate for a solution to a problem if I am not willing to use said solution.

US healthcare is very good if you can pay for it. So the problem isn't the management, it is the financing of it. As this little pandemic has shown everyone, most of the regulations in healthcare are stupid, and unnecessarily raise the cost of healthcare. For example, regulations around face masks:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ks-available-doctors-nurses-white-house-says/

That is something that needs 0 regulations, as medical professionals are easily competent enough to determine what masks are effective and what are not. Yet Pappa government had to step in and make the decision for people.
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Lol, Greg learnt a new word. Too bad he don’t understand it.
 
greg0205 said:
I imagine this wouldn't be a problem if all Americans had, say, some sort of health care plan, you know, a universal one, for all...
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Would you say Hillary would've been able to implement it while in office, on the assumption that she'd won? Pure speculation, just wondering.
 
theratman said:
Would you say Hillary would've been able to implement it while in office, on the assumption that she'd won? Pure speculation, just wondering.
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Even if she’d won in ‘16 and had the benefit of the wave in ‘18...

... Mitch McConnell was and is Senate Majority Leader.

She’d be signing EOs and Republicans would be gnashing their teeth and rending their garments about executive overreach.

Do I think she’d be better in this Crisis?

Oh hell yes.

MAGAs talk about draining the swamp and the deep state and how Donnie is an outsider, but all you have to do is look at a life-long politician like Andrew Cuomo’s handling Covid in NY to see that experience is a positive in a crisis.
 
greg0205 said:
Even if she’d won in ‘16 and had the benefit of the wave in ‘18...

... Mitch McConnell was and is Senate Majority Leader.

She’d be signing EOs and Republicans would be gnashing their teeth and rending their garments about executive overreach.

Do I think she’d be better in this Crisis?

Oh hell yes.

MAGAs talk about draining the swamp and the deep state and how Donnie is an outsider, but all you have to do is look at a life-long politician like Andrew Cuomo’s handling Covid in NY to see that experience is a positive in a crisis.
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Lol
 
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Fauci on Trump: 'I can't jump in front of the microphone and push him down'


The nation's top infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, described the challenges of working with the Trump administration during the coronavirus pandemic in an interview with the journal Science published Sunday.

Asked how he responds to falsehoods from the President during press conferences, Fauci said, "I can't jump in front of the microphone and push him down," according to the interview.

"OK, he said it. Let's try and get it corrected for the next time," Fauci said.
The director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Fauci has advised six presidents and has played a central role in the White House's Coronavirus Task Force.

"I'm sort of exhausted," Fauci said in the interview. "But other than that, I'm good. I mean, I'm not, to my knowledge, coronavirus infected. To my knowledge, I haven't been fired."

"It just doesn't comport with facts," said the interviewer, Jon Cohen.

"I know, but what do you want me to do?" Fauci replied. "I mean, seriously Jon, let's get real. What do you want me to do?"
Fauci also said he had never used the term "China virus." Asked if he ever would, Fauci responded, "No."
 
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Dr. Anthony Fauci did a facepalm after Trump mentioned the 'Deep State Department' in a wild coronavirus briefing



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konfab said:
He literally didn't say that.
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The Orwellian revisionism on behalf of the tangerine baby is astounding.

His direct words:

Feb. 26: “So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.” — Trump at a White House briefing.

Feb. 26: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” — Trump at a press conference.

Feb. 26: “I think every aspect of our society should be prepared. I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” — Trump at a press conference, when asked if “U.S. schools should be preparing for a coronavirus spreading.”

Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”
 
TysonRoux said:
ROFL

Fauci on Trump: 'I can't jump in front of the microphone and push him down'


The nation's top infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, described the challenges of working with the Trump administration during the coronavirus pandemic in an interview with the journal Science published Sunday.

Asked how he responds to falsehoods from the President during press conferences, Fauci said, "I can't jump in front of the microphone and push him down," according to the interview.

"OK, he said it. Let's try and get it corrected for the next time," Fauci said.
The director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Fauci has advised six presidents and has played a central role in the White House's Coronavirus Task Force.

"I'm sort of exhausted," Fauci said in the interview. "But other than that, I'm good. I mean, I'm not, to my knowledge, coronavirus infected. To my knowledge, I haven't been fired."

"It just doesn't comport with facts," said the interviewer, Jon Cohen.

"I know, but what do you want me to do?" Fauci replied. "I mean, seriously Jon, let's get real. What do you want me to do?"
Fauci also said he had never used the term "China virus." Asked if he ever would, Fauci responded, "No."
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The interview is really worth reading:

Science | AAAS

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Utter disgrace that a dedicated, decades-long public servant like Fauci has to be subjected to this moronic clown's narcissism.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
The Orwellian revisionism on behalf of the tangerine baby is astounding.

His direct words:

Feb. 26: “So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.” — Trump at a White House briefing.

Feb. 26: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” — Trump at a press conference.

Feb. 26: “I think every aspect of our society should be prepared. I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” — Trump at a press conference, when asked if “U.S. schools should be preparing for a coronavirus spreading.”

Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”
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Except it hasn't gone down the memory hole has it? You can still go back and read his tweets can't you? And last time I checked, the US government hasn't made it illegal for anyone to say anything contrary to the government line. You know unlike here in the People's Republik of South Africa with the most progressive constitution in the world.

I was referring to the tweet that was being commented on. Trump and the US government have changed their tune dramatically. That is the context that I read the Tweet in.
 
konfab said:
Except it hasn't gone down the memory hole has it? You can still go back and read his tweets can't you? And last time I checked, the US government hasn't made it illegal for anyone to say anything contrary to the government line. You know unlike here in the People's Republik of South Africa with the most progressive constitution in the world.

I was referring to the tweet that was being commented on. Trump and the US government have changed their tune dramatically. That is the context that I read the Tweet in.
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You said he "literally didn't say that", which is patently false.

And has he ever apologised for that blatant BS? Or the numerous BS he's spouted after that?

No, he said "I don't take responsibility at all."
 
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