US Election 2020

[Nqindi]

So troll then?

Whatever turns you on, buddy.

 

[Gnarls]

Hasn't this been the case from day 1. Trump's presidency has always been predicated on owning the libs, trolling and just being socially abrasive. It's all very wierd. They like it when Trump does all these crazy things - make no mistake about that.

So you don't read posts you just make stupid, ignorant assumptions? Troll check.

Whatever turns you on, buddy.

Defense of the vacuous troll.

Exactly this. Hence why the discourse of his detractors is now just trolling.

All they have now are whatever turns you on retorts and ackshually, you can't math facepalms.

Amirite?

 

[cerebus]

Ah, so you're not actually looking and posting data and not understanding it, its just your daily reeeee. Got it.

The more testing that happens only reinforces what an unmitigated failure Trump's response was. By comparison, South Korea had much better testing from the beginning and had its first case the same day. Currently it's sitting at 10000 cases vs 277000.

 

[Gnarls]

The more testing that happens only reinforces what an unmitigated failure Trump's response was. By comparison, South Korea had much better testing from the beginning and had its first case the same day. Currently it's sitting at 10000 cases vs 277000.

For those who don't like video.

CNN’S ACOSTA: This may be an uncomfortable question, what would the models have looked like that Dr. Birx and Dr. Fauci showed us if we had started the social distancing guidelines sooner in February or January when China and South Korea were doing those sorts of things? … If we had started these practices sooner, could these models be different right now?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Yeah, I’m going to let them answer the question, but remember this. And again, I say it and everybody says it. You know who says it better than anybody is Dr. Fauci. I had a decision to make. Maybe it was my biggest decision. China was heavily infected, and thousands and thousands of people were coming from China to the United States. And against the wishes, not even wishes, but they disagreed with the decision. I made a decision to stop China from coming in. Took a lot of heat, even from China. They weren’t exactly happy. I just made a trade deal, a big one, $250 billion trade deal. And I’m shortly thereafter saying, “You can’t come into our country.”
That was a big decision. That was earlier than the date you’re talking about. So that was a big decision. That was probably, and by the way, not because I did it, that was probably the biggest decision we made so far. But if you look at the one graph, the problem New York has is New York started late, but the other ones didn’t start so late. Now New York is also more complicated, because for obvious reasons, but it got a late start. But do you maybe want to answer those questions?

DR. BIRX: I don’t know if you can go back to slide two, because I wanted to explain two things that I think is really important, because we had a lot of questions about mortality and what it meant. Okay. So you see this confidence interval? So here’s the line. This is the confidence interval. This is where we have the ability to push it down. So you have a large confidence interval around the line. And so we’re trying to move that gray down tighter and below the dotted line. So I think that’s really important.
And then if you can go to the next slide. So we really can’t answer your question until we can get antibody testing out there. Because what we can’t tell you, and we can always do this, there’s always samples in hospitals and other things. It’s the way we really define the HIV epidemic in the United States. We were able to go back to blood samples when we had the test and really find out where it was and what was going on. We really need to look in here. And really see was there virus significantly circulating in early March and late February? And what did it look like? And where was it? And was it all in the metro areas? And I think that’s what Dr. Fauci and I are very, very focused on is getting serology testing out there to really figure out when it came, and really have those samples to be able to do that.

CNN’S ACOSTA: You understand the painful part of my question, and please, I don’t mean to put you on the spot-up there may be Americans at home saying, “If we had started this sooner, we might not have 100000 to 200000 Americans dying.”

DR. BIRX: No, we understand, but we can’t answer it until we see that. Well, that makes an assumption that it was here, a lot back here, that we didn’t see. And until we have the antibody tests, I can’t really answer that.

DR. FAUCI: Just to underscore what Dr. Birx was saying, if there was no virus in the background, there was nothing to mitigate. If there was virus there that we didn’t know about, then the answer to your question is probably yes. Now the only trouble with that is that whenever you come out and say something like that, it always becomes almost a sound bite that gets taken out of context, but I think that’s very important, what Dr. Birxs has said, is that if there was covert infections here that we didn’t know about, and we didn’t mitigate them, that they would’ve made a difference. If there was virtually nothing there, then there’s nothing to mitigate. And I don’t know the answer to your question.

CNN’S ACOSTA: But they were early. They started early. We were watching South Korea, excuse me, and China and Italy, and we weren’t taking action when those countries were spiking.

DR. FAUCI: In a perfect world, it would have been nice to know what was going on there. We didn’t, but I believe Jim, that we, we acted very, very early in that.

VICE PRESIDENT PENCE: Can I speak to that too as well? President made reference to the fact, January 31, he suspended all travel from China. Shortly thereafter, we issued strong travel advisories for the sections of Italy implicated and sections of South Korea, and we reached agreements with those countries to screen all passengers from all airports coming into the United States of America. The president’s initial efforts were designed at preventing the Coronavirus from coming into the United States. And what our experts have told us again and again at the Coronavirus task force is that those actions bought us a significant amount of time on this curve to respond with kind of mitigation efforts, standing up resources, testing and supplies that are in effect. But we went from a prevention strategy the President acted on before the month of January was over to a mitigation strategy, which continues to this day.

And if I can also say just to every American, all the questions about resources are very important. And I can assure you that the President and our task force are preoccupied with these issues and working with governors hour by hour to meet those needs. But if Americans will put into practice these guidelines for another 30 days, they’ll do their part to lower the curve and save lives, most importantly, and limit the burden on our hospitals and our healthcare system in the country significantly.

And so make no mistake about it. While we’re going to work our hearts out, leave no stone unturned, to find the resources, the masks, the ventilators that we need, and we are going to meet that moment with the full energy of the American economy and the whole of the American government. The American people have a role to play in preserving that medical capacity in a way that will ensure that people that are caught up in the Coronavirus, particularly those that are vulnerable to the most serious outcomes, which are seniors with serious underlying health conditions or anyone with an immunodeficiency, have the resources, the support and the health care that every American family would want their loved one to have.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I do believe we were very early, but I also think that we were very smart, because we stopped China. We had never done that before. You know, we had never closed our borders before, as I read. I read. I don’t know, maybe that’s not right. And Dr. Fauci had also said that was, I think it was maybe the biggest moment, because we were stopping the source. We were stopping the infection. But we also stopped Europe very shortly thereafter. That was a big decision. That was not an easy decision either. I stopped them a long time before people started stopping anywhere. So we stopped China, we stopped Europe, we stopped all of Europe. And then ultimately we stopped UK, Ireland.

 

[cerebus]

For those who don't like video.

What's your point? Are you saying there's just nothing they could have done to have acted in a way that mitigated the pandemic in the US?

 

[Gnarls]

What's your point? Are you saying there's just nothing they could have done to have acted in a way that mitigated the pandemic in the US?

Not my point but the point of the top infectious disease expert whose opinion directly contradicts yours. Do you not watch the press briefings? Do you understand what the doctors said?

For those who have issues watching videos.

MARK LEVIN: Welcome back. Dr. Fauci, let me ask you a question. You've been doing this a long time. Have you ever seen this big of a coordinated response by an administration to such a threat? A health threat?



DR. ANTHONY FAUCI: Well, we've never had a threat like this and the coordinated response has been, there are a number of adjectives to describe it. Impressive, I think is one of them.



I mean, we're talking about all-hands on-deck is that I, as one of many people on a team, I'm not the only person, since the beginning that we even recognized what this was. I have been devoting almost full time on this -- almost full time.



I'm down at the White House virtually every day with the Taskforce. I'm connected by phone throughout the day and into the night and when I say night, I'm talking twelve, one, two in the morning. I'm not the only one. There's a whole group of us that are doing that. It's every single day.



So I can't imagine that that under any circumstances that anybody could be doing more. I mean, obviously, we're fighting a formidable enemy -- this virus. This virus is a serious issue here.



Take a look at what it's done to China, to Europe, to South Korea. It is serious and our response is aimed, and I know you've heard that many, many times, and this is true. I mean, I deal with viruses my entire career.



When you have an outbreak virus, if you leave it to its own devices, it will peak up and then come back down. What we learned from China, that letting it peak up is really bad, because it can do some serious damage. So we are focused now, like a laser on doing whatever we can, and there are two or three things that deserve to be mentioned -- to make this peak actually be a mound, which means you're going to have suffering, you're going to have illness, you're going to have death. But it's not going to be the maximum that the virus can do.



A couple of ways to do that. The first was, as we say, all the time, the very timely decision on the part of the President to shut off travel from China, because we saw that there was this possibility of people coming in and seeding in the country. We did it early.



And as it turned out, there were relatively few cases in the big picture of things that came in from China. Unfortunately, for our colleagues, and many of whom are my friends and people I've trained actually in Medicine, in European countries, they didn't do that. And they got hit really hard and are being hit really hard. The first thing.



Second thing, when the infection burden shifted from China to Europe, we did the same thing with Europe. We shut off travel from Europe, which again was another safeguard to prevent influx from without in.



The other way you do it is by containment and mitigation. And now everybody knows what the word mitigation means because it's the things that we're doing. No crowds, work from home. Don't go to places that you can be susceptible. Ten people in a room, not 50 and a hundred people. Stay away from theatres.



Take the elderly people who are susceptible and have them do self- isolation. Stay out of bars, stay out of restaurants.



If you're in an area where there's a lot of coronavirus activity, close the bars, close the restaurants. That's heavy duty mitigation.



So I think with all of those things going on at the same time, I believe we will -- we're already doing it, but you just can't notice it yet because you have the dynamics of the virus going up. We're trying to put it down. You're not really sure quantitatively what you're doing, but you can be actually certain that we're having an impact on it.

 

[daveza]

Two days later Covid-19 was declared a pandemic.

March 19 -

"I've always known this is a real, this is a pandemic," Trump said. "I've felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Not my point but the point of the top infectious disease expert whose opinion directly contradicts yours. Do you not watch the press briefings? Do you understand what the doctors said?

He's on Fox News, being monitored by the big chees...to . What do you want him to say?

 

[wingnut771]

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Two days later Covid-19 was declared a pandemic.

March 19 -

"I've always known this is a real, this is a pandemic," Trump said. "I've felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."

he's like a goldfish swimming around his bowl: look, a beautiful castle, look a beautiful castle, look a beautiful castle.

 

[lumeer]

Not my point but the point of the top infectious disease expert whose opinion directly contradicts yours. Do you not watch the press briefings? Do you understand what the doctors said?

Fauci is in a difficult spot. Were he to speak truth to power, that power being a narcissist, he'd likely be removed from his position of influence. So he has to tread carefully in what he says, and how he says it.

 

[greg0205]

I get what most folk will take away from this gif.

Me, well I see Gerald Ford, a Republican, in office in '75; Reagan, a Republican, in '82; H.W , a Republican, in '91; W, a Republican, in '02 and '08; and you-know-who now...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1245702858449784832

 

[Temujin]

What's your point? Are you saying there's just nothing they could have done to have acted in a way that mitigated the pandemic in the US?

With all the info available to you now, and with your 20/20 hindsight, when and what would you have had the countries of the world do?

 

[Gnarls]

He's on Fox News, being monitored by the big chees...to . What do you want him to say?

Fauci is in a difficult spot. Were he to speak truth to power, that power being a narcissist, he'd likely be removed from his position of influence. So he has to tread carefully in what he says, and how he says it.

 

[BBSA]

 

[Gnarls]

Buka tantrum incoming in 5...4....3...2....

 

[cerebus]

With all the info available to you now, and with your 20/20 hindsight, when and what would you have had the countries of the world do?

The countries of the world, or the US Federal government?

 

[Hamish McPanji]

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[AlmightyBender]

Correct, you don't. You keep focusing on that number and post it daily, but completely ignore the rest. More tests, more cases detected, it really is that simple.

This comment would be correct only if the rest of the world was somehow also doing no or less testing.

Hint: they're not. They're also doing "more testing" and their infection rates are still far below the USA.

Pull up your pants man.

 

[Gnarls]

This comment would be correct only if the rest of the world was somehow also doing no or less testing.

Hint: they're not. They're also doing "more testing" and their infection rates are still far below the USA.

Pull up your pants man.

Another npc who doesn’t get it.

 

[Unhappy1]

Correct, you don't. You keep focusing on that number and post it daily, but completely ignore the rest. More tests, more cases detected, it really is that simple.

Their tests to population is still relatively low.