US Election 2020

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Speedster said:
As I said earlier, I am an unashamed capitalist, as were / are many of the prominent Democrats. The less a government intervenes, the better economies seem to work. I guess currently that makes me lean more right on economic policy, although I tend to lean left on some social issues.
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That is pretty much what all of us leftists here believe. We're for capitalism in the private sector and we're for using the benefits of that system in the form of taxation to provide essential good and services that are inappropriate for pure free markets (e.g. healthcare, policing etc) to all citizens to achieve the virtuous circle that occurs when all citizens have access to these services.

So now you are officially a communist according to the hardliners here. Welcome comrade!
 
LOL, The Orange Fuhrer had no influence on the judge or new prosecutor.

Roger Stone sentenced to prison

A judge orders the longtime Trump ally to serve 40 months in prison for his conviction on seven charges of obstruction, lying to Congress and witness tampering

Stone will also pay a $20,000 fine

US District Judge Amy Berman Jackson has sentenced Roger Stone, an adviser and friend to President Trump, to three years and four months in prison for lying to Congress and threatening a witness regarding his efforts for the President's 2016 campaign.

Stone also receive two-years probation on each count, running concurrently. He must also...

  • Have substance abuse testing
  • Do community service
  • Pay a $20,000 fine
Jackson said she is transferring supervision of his release to Southern District of Florida. She will determine later whether he will have a reentry progress hearing.
 
TysonRoux said:
LOL, The Orange Fuhrer had no influence on the judge or new prosecutor.

Roger Stone sentenced to prison

A judge orders the longtime Trump ally to serve 40 months in prison for his conviction on seven charges of obstruction, lying to Congress and witness tampering

Stone will also pay a $20,000 fine

US District Judge Amy Berman Jackson has sentenced Roger Stone, an adviser and friend to President Trump, to three years and four months in prison for lying to Congress and threatening a witness regarding his efforts for the President's 2016 campaign.

Stone also receive two-years probation on each count, running concurrently. He must also...

  • Have substance abuse testing
  • Do community service
  • Pay a $20,000 fine
Jackson said she is transferring supervision of his release to Southern District of Florida. She will determine later whether he will have a reentry progress hearing.
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Less than the previous recommended sentence. So there was likely influence
 
Just finished watching the DEM debate.

Warren, no filter, all out gunning for Mike. Mike had a good run at Bernie too for owing multiple properties, but it seems as if he joined the race too late, dunno? Bernie probably the strongest IMO.

Don't really think any of them can beat TRUMP2020 tho!
 
Hamish McPanji said:
Less than the previous recommended sentence. So there was likely influence
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Disagree. Judges have discretion to judge. Maybe she agreed with some of the mitigating factors brought by the defense. She is not obligated to agree with guidelines.

What I see is a sentence term with justifications provided. It's not a perfect system but it works for the most part.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Probably meaningless so long before the election but these are absolutely dreadful numbers given Wisconsin was Democratic between 1988-2012.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1230543030953926658
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Only if JFK, Reagan, Lincoln or FDR are somehow resurrected and run as a Dem candidate, would they defeat Trump.

The only thing that will come as a surprise to me come November will be if pro-Trump supporters will have stopped thinking that anyone is actually surprised by Trump's victory.
 
AlmightyBender said:
Disagree. Judges have discretion to judge. Maybe she agreed with some of the mitigating factors brought by the defense. She is not obligated to agree with guidelines.

What I see is a sentence term with justifications provided. It's not a perfect system but it works for the most part.
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That's the way I see it.

LOL, adds to the list of Trump associates in jail
 
AlmightyBender said:
Disagree. Judges have discretion to judge. Maybe she agreed with some of the mitigating factors brought by the defense. She is not obligated to agree with guidelines.

What I see is a sentence term with justifications provided. It's not a perfect system but it works for the most part.
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Guidelines which were withdrawn
 
buka001 said:
Only if JFK, Reagan, Lincoln or FDR are somehow resurrected and run as a Dem candidate, would they defeat Trump.

The only thing that will come as a surprise to me come November will be if pro-Trump supporters will have stopped thinking that anyone is actually surprised by Trump's victory.
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Of course he is the favorite but still alot can change between now and the end of the year.
 
TysonRoux said:
That's the way I see it.

LOL, adds to the list of Trump associates in jail
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I remember Roger Stone singing "Lock her up" about Hillary and the the "Hillary for Prison" shirts he use to sell.

Ironic.

At least she has this to laugh about.
 
buka001 said:
anyone is actually surprised by Trump's victory
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how much are you willing to bet that there will not be ample examples of this sort of thing?

the rrrrrRRRREEEEEEEEE will surely not exist if people are expecting it, so with that as proof come November I'm willing to bet that lots of people will be surprised by Trump's victory
 
AlmightyBender said:
That is pretty much what all of us leftists here believe. We're for capitalism in the private sector and we're for using the benefits of that system in the form of taxation to provide essential good and services that are inappropriate for pure free markets (e.g. healthcare, policing etc) to all citizens to achieve the virtuous circle that occurs when all citizens have access to these services.

So now you are officially a communist according to the hardliners here. Welcome comrade!
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Ha, keep telling yourself that. I don't think the government should provide those services though, they should only create a healthy regulatory framework to facilitate it.
 
Speedster said:
Ha, keep telling yourself that. I don't think the government should provide those services though, they should only create a healthy regulatory framework to facilitate it.
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Ok not a problem. Can you elaborate what you meant by lean left on social issues and governments role in that? I thought that was what you meant but interested in your actual viewpoint.

PS our resident hardliners will still call you a communist for that healthy regulatory framework part :p :ROFL:
 

I know the media is piling on Bloomberg but he has the money to stay in the race. As I a few months ago, he'd be the only one I'd really consider in the Democrat lane.

Mayor Pete actually spoke quite well but he is too much of a limousine liberal for my liking.
 
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