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buka001 said:
So are Medical Aids in South Africa not examples of a capitalist business?

Profits, shareholders. They have it all.
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Lol joke of the day. Medical aids in SA aren't even allowed to make a profit.
 
It's weird for someone, who by his own admission has never changed his views, has still not costed his plans. You'd think that having been in politics for decades and being on the margin for so many of them that he'd have a plan ready. After all, his 2020 campaign bid is basically identical to his 2016 campaign bid. What he has been doing all this time?

“This is a list,” he said triumphantly, “which will be on our website tonight of how we pay for every program that we have developed.” It was a clever stunt, but it also revealed that he may not be as prepared as he wants people to believe: The document was limited, and in some cases, the revenue Mr. Sanders earmarked did not actually add up to the cost. Nothing he said Tuesday offered further clarification.
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Bernie Sanders Heard His Name a Lot (Published 2020)

The democratic socialist found himself in the center — of the stage and the squabbling.
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Chris_the_Brit said:
It's weird for someone, who by his own admission has never changed his views, has still not costed his plans. You'd think that having been in politics for decades and being on the margin for so many of them that he'd have a plan ready. After all, his 2020 campaign bid is basically identical to his 2016 campaign bid. What he has been doing all this time?



www.nytimes.com

Bernie Sanders Heard His Name a Lot (Published 2020)

The democratic socialist found himself in the center — of the stage and the squabbling.
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Still more of a plan than "Mexico will pay for it"
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
you are, and literally every single person who believes the Nazi economy even beings to approximate something that can loosely be described as remotely capitalist

how about stop reading the same lies and broadening / freeing your mind?
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Nazi Economic Policy | David Gordon

The National Socialists had radical reforms in mind. The "unalterable" 25-point 1920 program of the party proposed, among other things, "that all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished"; "the nationalization of all trusts"; "profit-sharing in large...
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The Mises group is a far right "think" tank. Hardly a neutral view.

Did they analyse the Nazis privatisation? Is that socialist now?
How about Hitlers strong stance on Private Property rights and how they maintained this? Is this also Socialism now?

The death camps were built on tenders and the contractual terms were negotiated.

There are enough journals and published historians to sink a ship, that characterise the economy of Germany as mixed and their ideology as a fascist dictatorship. Not Socialists by any means.
 
Trump's Rasmussen numbers yesterday: approve 52%, disapprove 47%. Those are his best numbers in a long time.
 
www.salon.com

Medicare for All is cheaper: Multiple studies say M4A is more cost-effective than a public option

Yale and Harvard researchers found that Medicare for All reduces costs while public option makes health care more expensive.
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Multiple studies show Medicare for All would be cheaper than public option pushed by moderates

Yale and Harvard researchers: Medicare for All reduces costs, while public option makes health care more expensive

Two new studies further showed that the Medicare for All plan is not only cheaper than the status quo but also costs less than the public option moderates have claimed is more fiscally sound.

A study published in The Lancet this month by researchers at Yale University, the University of Florida and the University of Maryland estimated that Medicare for All would save $450 billion per year — about $2,400 in annual savings per family — and would prevent more than 68,000 unnecessary deaths each year.

"Our study is actually conservative because it doesn't factor in the lives saved among underinsured Americans—which includes anyone who nominally has insurance but has postponed or foregone care because they couldn't afford the copays and deductibles," Yale researcher Alison Galvani told Newsweek.

Medicare for All would allow the government to negotiate prices for care, as most Western nations with single-payer systems already do, and reduce overhead costs.

Biden and Buttigieg's proposals would actually increase costs, Galvani said.

"Without the savings to overhead, pharmaceutical costs, hospital/clinical fees, and fraud detection, 'Medicare for all who want it' could annually cost $175 billion dollars more than status quo," Galvani told Newsweek. "That's over $600 billion more than Medicare for all."
 
buka001 said:
The Mises group is a far right "think" tank. Hardly a neutral view.

Did they analyse the Nazis privatisation? Is that socialist now?
How about Hitlers strong stance on Private Property rights and how they maintained this? Is this also Socialism now?

The death camps were built on tenders and the contractual terms were negotiated.

There are enough journals and published historians to sink a ship, that characterise the economy of Germany as mixed and their ideology as a fascist dictatorship. Not Socialists by any means.
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Lol. Hitler basically directed industries what to produce and in what quantity. That ain't capitalism mate, no matter how you spin it.
 
It makes sense why the Dems want open borders. It because they lost 150 million people to gun violence.
Probably white nationalists behind this. Although Biden seems to be blaming Bernie.
Kinda makes sense that a socialist would kill 150 million people, he wouldn’t be the first.

Biden was vice prez for 8 of those years, so he knows what he is talking about.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1232485145732509704
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Lol. Hitler basically directed industries what to produce and in what quantity. That ain't capitalism mate, no matter how you spin it.
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Hence, why it was mixed.

Those industries still extracted profits, maintained private property rights and were able to negotiate the contracts they had with the Nazis, which gave them some autonomy over the means of production.

You also exclude the fact that there were still other industries not directly associated with the war machine, who operated in a free market economy.

The wartime economy of any country is going to have substantial government influence, directing companies to produce for the government.

Even the USA did it.

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Are they socialists?
 
Pegasus said:
It makes sense why the Dems want open borders. It because they lost 150 million people to gun violence.
Probably white nationalists behind this. Although Biden seems to be blaming Bernie.
Kinda makes sense that a socialist would kill 150 million people, he wouldn’t be the first.

Biden was vice prez for 8 of those years, so he knows what he is talking about.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1232485145732509704
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Are you on drugs?
 
On another note, the corona virus is probably the biggest threat to Trump and his reelection, if things crash then its far more likely going to be Bernie 2020.
 
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