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According to this Vanity Fair article, Trump is now furious with Jared Kushner after he followed Kushner's advice to try and PR coronavirus away:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/trump-awakens-to-the-covid-19-danger

Can I just say how much better he looks with a decent haircut

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January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

February 2: “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China. … We can’t have thousands of people coming in who may have this problem, the coronavirus. So we’re gonna see what happens, but we did shut it down, yes.”

February 14: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”

February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

February 28: “Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that, right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa.” “They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.”

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

March 6: "You know, my uncle was a great person. He was at MIT. He taught at MIT for, I think, like a record number of years. He was a great super genius. Dr. John Trump. I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, 'How do you know so much about this? ' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president."

March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”

March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

March 9: “This blindsided the world.”

March 9: "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant.”

March 9: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”

March 10: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."

March 13: National Emergency Declaration

March 13: “I don't take responsibility at all”

March 13: "For decades the @CDCgov looked at, and studied, its testing system, but did nothing about it. It would always be inadequate and slow for a large scale pandemic, but a pandemic would never happen, they hoped. President Obama made changes that only complicated things further"

March 14: "SOCIAL DISTANCING!"

March 15: "TODAY IS A NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. GOD BLESS EVERYONE!"

March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”

March 16: “If you’re talking about the virus, no, that’s not under control for any place in the world. ... I was talking about what we’re doing is under control, but I’m not talking about the virus."

March 16: "I'd rate it a 10" (in response to how he rate his handling of the situation)
 
January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

February 2: “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China. … We can’t have thousands of people coming in who may have this problem, the coronavirus. So we’re gonna see what happens, but we did shut it down, yes.”

February 14: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”

February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

February 28: “Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that, right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa.” “They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.”

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

March 6: "You know, my uncle was a great person. He was at MIT. He taught at MIT for, I think, like a record number of years. He was a great super genius. Dr. John Trump. I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, 'How do you know so much about this? ' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president."

March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”

March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

March 9: “This blindsided the world.”

March 9: "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant.”

March 9: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”

March 10: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."

March 13: National Emergency Declaration

March 13: “I don't take responsibility at all”

March 13: "For decades the @CDCgov looked at, and studied, its testing system, but did nothing about it. It would always be inadequate and slow for a large scale pandemic, but a pandemic would never happen, they hoped. President Obama made changes that only complicated things further"

March 14: "SOCIAL DISTANCING!"

March 15: "TODAY IS A NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. GOD BLESS EVERYONE!"

March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”

March 16: “If you’re talking about the virus, no, that’s not under control for any place in the world. ... I was talking about what we’re doing is under control, but I’m not talking about the virus."

March 16: "I'd rate it a 10" (in response to how he rate his handling of the situation)
Well I'll rate him a 9 because nobody's perfect. But I can understand how he would give himself a 10, he isn't e exactly humble about his accomplishments.
 
Some stats from yesterday

S&P closed down -11.98% for its worst day since Oct 19, 1987 when the S&P lost -20.47%

  • This month: S&P is down -19.23% on pace for its worst month since Oct 1987 when the S&P lost -21.76
  • This year: S&P is down -26.14% YTD on pace for its worst year since 2008 when the S&P lost -38.49%
  • From Record: S&P is 29.69% below its intraday all-time high of 3,393.52 from Feb 19th
Dow closed down -12.93% for its worst day since Oct 19, 1987 when the Dow lost -22.61%

  • Dow turned in its biggest loss ever of 2,997.10
  • This month: Dow is down -20.55% on pace for its worst month since Oct 1987 when the Dow lost -23.22%
  • This year: Dow is down -29.26% YTD on pace for its worst year since 2008 when the Dow lost -33.84%
  • From Record: Dow is 31.72% below its intraday all-time high of 29,568.57 from Feb 12th
Nasdaq closed down -12.32% for its worst day ever (In Oct 19, 1987, the 2nd worst day ever, the Nasdaq lost -11.35%)

  • This month: Nasdaq is down -19.41% MTD for its worst month since Feb 2001 when the NAS lost -22.39%
  • This year: Nasdaq is down -23.05% YTD on pace for its worst year since 2008 when the NASDAQ lost -40.54%
  • From Record: Nasdaq is 29.8% from its intraday all-time high of 9,838.37 from Feb 19th
Russell 2,000 small caps closed down -14.27% for their worst day ever




  • This month: Small caps are down -29.73% MTD on pace for its worst month since Oct 1987 when small caps lost -30.77%
  • This year: Small caps are down -37.82% on pace for their worst year ever, as long as they closed lower than -34.8% or it will be their worst year since 2008
  • From Record: Small caps are 39.51% below their 52-wk high of 1,715.08 - Francolla, Stevens
 
January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

February 2: “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China. … We can’t have thousands of people coming in who may have this problem, the coronavirus. So we’re gonna see what happens, but we did shut it down, yes.”

February 14: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”

February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

February 28: “Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that, right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa.” “They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.”

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

March 6: "You know, my uncle was a great person. He was at MIT. He taught at MIT for, I think, like a record number of years. He was a great super genius. Dr. John Trump. I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, 'How do you know so much about this? ' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president."

March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”

March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

March 9: “This blindsided the world.”

March 9: "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant.”

March 9: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”

March 10: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."

March 13: National Emergency Declaration

March 13: “I don't take responsibility at all”

March 13: "For decades the @CDCgov looked at, and studied, its testing system, but did nothing about it. It would always be inadequate and slow for a large scale pandemic, but a pandemic would never happen, they hoped. President Obama made changes that only complicated things further"

March 14: "SOCIAL DISTANCING!"

March 15: "TODAY IS A NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. GOD BLESS EVERYONE!"

March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”

March 16: “If you’re talking about the virus, no, that’s not under control for any place in the world. ... I was talking about what we’re doing is under control, but I’m not talking about the virus."

March 16: "I'd rate it a 10" (in response to how he rate his handling of the situation)

March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

In-Bloody-deed
 
It was definitely fair and balanced. Being balanced doesn't mean I should now make up lies about Trump to criticize him about.
Of course dear sir. I wouldn't expect a tribalist such as yourself, with your cognitive dissonance to see it any other way.
 
Of course dear sir. I wouldn't expect a tribalist such as yourself, with your cognitive dissonance to see it any other way.
You are using big words, but I don't think you understand their meaning.
 
And BoJo got it wrong as well. At least BoJo a d his team are now on the right path. Wasted a few days following the wrong science.

But but but: Some participants came away from the conference call less than impressed with Johnson’s own performance. “He couldn’t help but act the clown, even though he was a on call with serious CEOs from goodness knows how many companies,” one participant told my POLITICO colleague Charlie Cooper. This individual said the PM “joked” that the enterprise to build more life-saving ventilators could be known as “Operation Last Gasp.” Ugh.
 
Why do I get the sense that you are getting some sort of sick joy out of the wealth destruction of hard-working, patriotic working-class Americans?

Schadenfreude is a bad look when it affects so many people.

Quit with this. I get no joy in anything that's happening. I'd rather have Trump be reelected than go through this situation.

It isn't schadenfreude when your worst premonitions about Trump are being played out in front of your eyes. All the things we've been trying to say about him - his incompetence, his narcissism, his total inability to manage a real crisis, the ineptitude of his administration and the shortsighted egoism of his destruction of Obama's legacy infrastructure, his incessant lies - are all coming home to roost and all we can do is point it out and hope that it finally sinks in that we are not wrong about him. He is an awful, awful president.
 
Quit with this. I get no joy in anything that's happening. I'd rather have Trump be reelected than go through this situation.

It isn't schadenfreude when your worst premonitions about Trump are being played out in front of your eyes. All the things we've been trying to say about him - his incompetence, his narcissism, his total inability to manage a real crisis, the ineptitude of his administration and the shortsighted egoism of his destruction of Obama's legacy infrastructure, his incessant lies - are all coming home to roost and all we can do is point it out and hope that it finally sinks in that we are not wrong about him. He is an awful, awful president.
Exactly this.

I said this a week or so back.

Many people warned that Trump's incompetence would cause problems like this. That criticism was laughed off as TDS.

The Obama administration even held a training scenario with Trump's team at the handover, where they played this exact scenario of the Coronavirus through. Most of the people involved have been fired by Trump and many of the lessons learned in that strategy session have not been followed and were ignored.

Pretty similar scenario with Boris. So many people, even Piers fkn Morgan, who I detest, where saying Boris you and your "experts" have it wrong here. Listen to the WHO, look at Italy, look at Singapore, South Korea and Hong Kong. But no, criticism of Boris was laughed off as anti-Boris hysteria.

Guess what yesterday Boris came out and his "science" had changed. Why, well the "experts" had modelled their predictions on the wrong virus and because of confirmation bias, the results were not rigorously interrogated. Now they realise they were wrong and are doing the right thing.

Sometimes criticism of your leader of your political ideology is not just TDS or hysteria. It has a logical and sound basis. So perhaps instead of resorting to the usual slurs, pause and listen.

Boris Johnson did so. Learn from him.
 
Exactly this.

I said this a week or so back.

Many people warned that Trump's incompetence would cause problems like this. That criticism was laughed off as TDS.

The Obama administration even held a training scenario with Trump's team at the handover, where they played this exact scenario of the Coronavirus through. Most of the people involved have been fired by Trump and many of the lessons learned in that strategy session have not been followed and were ignored.

Pretty similar scenario with Boris. So many people, even Piers fkn Morgan, who I detest, where saying Boris you and your "experts" have it wrong here. Listen to the WHO, look at Italy, look at Singapore, South Korea and Hong Kong. But no, criticism of Boris was laughed off as anti-Boris hysteria.

Guess what yesterday Boris came out and his "science" had changed. Why, well the "experts" had modelled their predictions on the wrong virus and because of confirmation bias, the results were not rigorously interrogated. Now they realise they were wrong and are doing the right thing.

Sometimes criticism of your leader of your political ideology is not just TDS or hysteria. It has a logical and sound basis. So perhaps instead of resorting to the usual slurs, pause and listen.

Boris Johnson did so. Learn from him.

Noble. But good luck convincing TDS/NPC/lubrul tears folk that any slight against their orange god is anything but your own derangement.

Cult's gonna cult.
 
Why do I get the sense that you are getting some sort of sick joy out of the wealth destruction of hard-working, patriotic working-class Americans?

Schadenfreude is a bad look when it affects so many people.

:unsure: , at which point have i ever posted joyously on the topic? I have been involved in this thread and similar ones for sometime now and ive consistently stated that Trump will win or lose based on the economy. This is just me continuing with that.
 
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