US Election 2020

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Mephisto_Helix said:
Funniest part is when you point it out to mods, they will delete your comment with "thread cleanup in progress" but it stills stays the same Trump thread 3.0. Change the farking title or make a subforum, this is getting old.
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This is how you should do it:
Dear mods

The other posters are saying mean things about Trump in the US election thread.

Please close it.

Thank you.
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SoldierMan said:
Seems this thread has been reduced to a bunch of triggered lefties bitching and moaning about anything they can, and obsessively scouring the internet for anything at all linked to Trump and then hastily posting it here in hopes of gaining some internet bro points. It's quite hilarious and sad actually :ROFL:
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You're shooting the messenger.
 

Except, twat, that I hate all of you equally for derailing threads ....... so how is it me being upset by people saying bad things about trump, oh right :rolleyes:
 
cerebus said:
I don't understand why it bothers you so much. It keeps all the conversation in one place, and as theratman said there is still a lot of very solid conversation that happens in here. It's really not that toxic considering the subject matter.
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LOL at that closing comment.

Comedians will have to start working a whole lot harder when Trump is gone.
 
Mephisto_Helix said:
Except, twat, that I hate all of you equally for derailing threads ....... so how is it me being upset by people saying bad things about trump, oh right :rolleyes:
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Dude, there's one thread, and it's not actually derailed at all. It's no worse than the frickin waste of time horndog Banter thread. Relax.
 
daveza said:
Small letters are so nasty.

America is now No.3 but Agent Orange thinks it will all go away in two weeks time.

God bless America.
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Orange is having a bit of a meltdown as he realises this is probably the end of his presidency.

SoldierMan said:
Seems this thread has been reduced to a bunch of triggered lefties bitching and moaning about anything they can, and obsessively scouring the internet for anything at all linked to Trump and then hastily posting it here in hopes of gaining some internet bro points. It's quite hilarious and sad actually :ROFL:
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This guy too.
 
daveza said:
Small letters are so nasty.

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America is now No.3 but Agent Orange thinks it will all go away in two weeks time.

God bless America.
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He literally didn't say that.

There is a balancing act that has to be done. If the US government just shuts down the economy with mandatory isolation, they could very well do more damage than the virus.

I posted this article in the COVID-19 thread but it has applicability here as well:

Author is doctor/researcher on infectious disease policy:
A degraded quality of life, particularly over time, itself generates its own risks of death. If the lockdown is prolonged, we can expect increases in deaths from cancer, cardiovascular disease, stroke, mental illness, and substance abuse. How many cancers will metastasize while colonoscopies or biopsies deemed “elective” will be postponed?

Quality of life consists largely in the ability to engage in the activities that make up our lives, and central to these activities is work. Most of us need to work to support ourselves, and many people, including myself, derive meaning from their work. Moreover, humans, as a species, survive by productive work. Jobs cannot be easily parsed into “life-sustaining” and “non-life-sustaining” enterprises. All work consists in the creating of something we need to sustain human life physically and psychologically. Some of these needs are more acute than others, but all contribute to our ability and will to live. Stopping people from working is like depriving a limb of blood flow. Though action is sometimes necessary in an emergency, irreparable and irreversible harm will occur if it is prolonged. A prolonged freeze of the economy — even in the face of a deadly pandemic — will cause a long-term damage far greater than any purported benefit.

If a prolonged, enforced retreat from life is not the right way to fight this disease, what is? Until a vaccine is developed, I recommend the following five measures.

1. Voluntary social distancing with cocooning: It is necessary — and critical for high risk groups — to be vigilant about minimizing the risk of viral spread. Each individual and institution should take specific actions, consistent with their own hierarchy of values, to not be an unwitting host to a virus that may damage themselves or others. Specific clusters of vulnerable populations such as nursing homes should be cocooned from everyday life to greatly minimize their chances of exposure. When social distancing is mandated by law it should exist for as short as possible of a time frame and to allow as much flexibility to individuals as possible.
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https://medium.com/@AmeshAA/covid19-a-path-forward-868d5e8dc53

This isn't just theoretical, the over-reaction to the Fukushima disaster killed far more people than the radiation would have:
There were 2,202 disaster-related deaths in Fukushima, according to the government’s Reconstruction Agency, from evacuation stress, interruption to medical care and suicide; so far, there has not been a single case of cancer linked to radiation from the plant. That is prompting a shocking reassessment among some scholars: that the evacuation was an error. The human cost would have been far smaller had people stayed where they were, they argue. The wider death toll from the quake was 15,895, according to the National Police Agency.
Zero evacuation may be implausible. At the height of the crisis there were fears of much worse contamination. The question is rather whether people should have been kept away for weeks, not years. “With hindsight, we can say the evacuation was a mistake,” says Philip Thomas, a professor of risk management at the University of Bristol and leader of a recent research project on nuclear accidents. “We would have recommended that nobody be evacuated.”
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https://archive.ph/rat84
 
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daveza said:
Trying to find Italians crying about the economy.....
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Information theory provides us with the answer why:
The amount of information about an event is proportional to the inverse log of the probability of said event. Meaning that the more common an event is, the less information it will tell people.

So for example, sunny skies in Cape Town would never be breaking news here because sunny skies are normal in Cape Town(high probability event). If a snowstorm occurred over Cape Town in the middle of summer (low probability event) it would make news (probably around the world).

A small businesses going under is a normal event Someone dying from a global pandemic? Well that isn't something that happens every day. Guess which one makes the news bucko?

This is before you even take into account how the Italians are reporting the deaths from the C-19. A 90 year old man with heart conditions dying from influenza: Normal. A 90 year old man with heart conditions dying whilst being tested positive for C-19? Abnormal. Even though the co-morbidity is almost exactly the same.

What apparently is the cause of Italy's high death rate is the fact that they are counting anyone who dies with C-19 as dying of C-19.
 
daveza said:
Trying to find Italians crying about the economy.....
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Yeah but how many Americans are on medication. If they can't afford to pay for that it could turn out worse than the consequences of Corona. But hey Orange Man bad.
 
SoldierMan said:
Yeah but how many Americans are on medication. If they can't afford to pay for that it could turn out worse than the consequences of Corona. But hey Orange Man bad.
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if the hospitals look like this, or worse, you can forget about trying to manage any other health problems.
 
SoldierMan said:
Yeah but how many Americans are on medication. If they can't afford to pay for that it could turn out worse than the consequences of Corona. But hey Orange Man bad.
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I imagine this wouldn't be a problem if all Americans had, say, some sort of health care plan, you know, a universal one, for all...
 
greg0205 said:
I imagine this wouldn't be a problem if all Americans had, say, some sort of health care plan, you know, a universal one, for all...
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Sure, or if they weren't ripped a new one each time they paid their bill by the pharmaceutical companies. Many people fly go to Mexico by plane just to purchase their meds it's so expensive in the US. It's nuts what big pharma gets away with in the US.
 
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