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crackersa said:
You forgot a key word from the article.

INDICATING
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It was grossly negligent of him not to act on the intelligence that he received. If a doctor gets information indicating that a patient has cancer, he'd better do more tests to figure out exactly what is going on or he's failed in his duty. Instead, Trump has undermined all attempts by his own intelligence agencies to inform him of the fact that Russia was hacking the US election system. For as long as he failed to act on information he started to receive a year and a half ago, it was tantamount to collusion.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
No more than your are a crack addict, less actually. Pray tell how you connect the concept of personal privacy (core tenet of libertarianism) to monarchism, it should be highly entertaining.
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Well, lets see...

You: "Exactly what rights do congress have in knowing the details of a private conversation?"

Privacy for you and I is in no way the same as privacy for a democratically elected head of state during the course of executing his or her duties.

The person we're talking about is POTUS and Congress are *specifically* charged with oversight of the executive, so there are your "rights"... Four days later and Russia is talking about verbal commitments tre45on made to Vlad that neither Congress, nor the American, people have a clue about. But you know, whatever.

Libertarians are sceptical of state power and authority and you're making a case that POTUS's right to privacy here is the real problem, rather than him governing by unchecked, secret fiat, you know, like in a monarchy... Try harder. Really, try so much harder.
 
cerebus said:
It was grossly negligent of him not to act on the intelligence that he received. If a doctor gets information indicating that a patient has cancer, he'd better do more tests to figure out exactly what is going on or he's failed in his duty. Instead, Trump has undermined all attempts by his own intelligence agencies to inform him of the fact that Russia was hacking the US election system. For as long as he failed to act on information he started to receive a year and a half ago, it was tantamount to collusion.
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And?

I’m just pointing Greg’s miss of the word? Indicating is not absolute fact.
 
crackersa said:
And?

I’m just pointing Greg’s miss of the word? Indicating is not absolute fact.
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I don't think it means what you think it means. It's doubtful that the word indicating is enough to throw uncertainty on the intelligence and justify ignoring it. Trump went on record as saying that it could have been a 300lb kid sitting in his room who hacked the election, all the while knowing full well that the best intelligence agencies in the world were convinced that it was Russia. He's still trying desperately to deflect attention from the Russian meddling by asking about Clinton's email servers.
 
cerebus said:
I don't think it means what you think it means. It's doubtful that the word indicating is enough to throw uncertainty on the intelligence and justify ignoring it. Trump went on record as saying that it could have been a 300lb kid sitting in his room who hacked the election, all the while knowing full well that the best intelligence agencies in the world were convinced that it was Russia. He's still trying desperately to deflect attention from the Russian meddling by asking about Clinton's email servers.
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Did I say that?

Considering just half my career was with military intelligence, I understand this better than you.

I remember reports indicating Iraq had WMD
 
crackersa said:
And?

I’m just pointing Greg’s miss of the word? Indicating is not absolute fact.
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You'd prefer: "Aaaaaand... on January 6th, 2017, *before* his inauguration, tre45on was shown intercepts of Russian military intelligence *indicating* that Putin personally ordered meddling in the Election."

No problem.

Its also right there in the text from the NYT article I posted as well as in the link. Two out of three now three out of three.



Cracker, you seriously buying what tre45on is selling? Seriously?
 
Interesting opinion on Trump and Russia:
Trump is not Putin's puppet and here's why

Let's take his policies on the energy sector, where Russia's national interests lie.

Oil and gas are the Kremlin's main foreign policy weapon and its main tool of ensuring internal stability. The rise in oil prices in the early 2000s made Putin what he is today. Gas is also the main leverage he has over the EU. Russia is Europe's main exporter of gas and currently provides for 50 percent of its gas needs. Gas and oil pipelines are also one of the Kremlin's main tools of control over energy-exporting countries in Central Asia, like Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan.

But this is also the weakness of Putin's system. Russia's economy continues to grow more dependent on the export of energy resources and today, they account for more than 60 percent of all exports.

And what has Trump been doing about that? He's been putting pressure on Saudi Arabia to increase its oil output in order to compensate for Iran's elimination from the market by US sanctions and keep the prices low. And he's expecting Russia to back that move, even though the Russian economy is still suffering from a slump caused by the fall in oil prices in 2014.

More importantly, Trump has also been demanding that Europe cancel Nordstream-2, a gas pipeline project which is meant to increase the supply of Russian gas to northern Europe, especially Germany. Nordstream is Putin's brainchild and is important not just from an economic perspective; it is meant to increase Russian leverage over Europe.
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https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/trump-putin-puppet-180718073251949.html
 
greg0205 said:
Privacy for you and I is in no way the same as privacy for a democratically elected head of state during the course of executing his or her duties
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and yet this was a specifically scheduled private conversation prior to further talks, end of story, everything else you say falls flat after that, if anyone had issues with that they should have stopped it from happening instead of trying a loophole just because coincidentally another party was privy to the conversation out of necessity

the executive still has a right to privacy, the executive in fact has the right to classify information, at will, to a point where even congress can't get to it without jumping through loopholes

Everyone has the right to privacy fyi, libertarians do not propose that elected officials should have their rights trampled on, quite the opposite, they expect elected officials to not trample on theirs ...
 
greg0205 said:
You'd prefer: "Aaaaaand... on January 6th, 2017, *before* his inauguration, tre45on was shown intercepts of Russian military intelligence *indicating* that Putin personally ordered meddling in the Election."

No problem.

Its also right there in the text from the NYT article I posted as well as in the link. Two out of three now three out of three.



Cracker, you seriously buying what tre45on is selling? Seriously?
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Did I say that? You stated something as absolute fact when the article clearly said indicating
 
cerebus said:
It was grossly negligent of him not to act on the intelligence that he received
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Except what he received was less "intelligence" and more "narrative". Hell there still has not been any actual (i.e. non-circumstantial) evidence offered.

Can't exactly fault someone for ignoring an agenda backed by nothing ...
 
Alan said:
What's with liberals and beheading Trump...

Portland Art Gallery Displays Poster With Donald Trump's Throat Slashed

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http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/18/occupy-ice-portland-trump-pinata/
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People expressing their 1st amendment rights, just like these conservatives did when Obama was president.

I trust you voiced similar outrage when these occurred?
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crackersa said:
He missed a key word from the article, indicating. He stating something as fact when the article is not.
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The article is only reporting on what happened as a second or third-hand account. The writer's use of the word 'indicating' is meaningless and you're overreaching.
 
crackersa said:
He shouldn’t be questioned. I suspect Putin is obv hiding something and trying to deflect
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We agree. McFaul pushed democracy and became a favourite of the Putin opposition... Schoolyard stuff but Putin hates him.
 
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