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buka001 said:
I think you are onto something.

Was it the way she dressed at the party?
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You kidding me? I asked a valid question now YOU want to confuse the South African rape culture with American rape culture? Care to compare stats as well as comments by American leaders as compared to South African leaders about rape? You forgot about Zuma?

Typical.

Let me help you.
Dress has been used as a justification for violence against women. Violent behaviour towards women seems to take place mostly in conservative rural communities in South Africa. However, such conservative behavior also seems to spill over into urban areas. Mphahlele (2009) summarises an incident as follows: On the 22nd July 2007, a 25 year old Zandile Mpanza was attacked by four men in Durban as a result of her non-compliance with a ban which stipulated that women are not allowed to wear trousers in the Umlazi T section. She was stripped naked and forced to walk through the streets. Her assailants destroyed her home and belongings and she was forced to move out of the township. Mfusi and Mboto (2007) reported that the Commission [on Gender Equality] contended that women wearing pants was not a violation of customary practice and dismissed the mob action as a reflection of conservative opinion. Yet another incident occurred on February 17, 2008 in which a 25 year old Nwabisa Ngcukana was sexually assaulted by taxi drivers at the Noord Street Taxi rank in Johannesburg Central Business District for wearing a miniskirt. During the disturbing events that ensued, the taxi drivers sang a song which referred to a rape trial between the then deputy president of the African National Congress, Jacob Zuma, whom they supported, and the complainant, Khwezi, whom they demeaned for having worn the traditional kanga when the alleged rape took place. This action “…demonstrates a widespread belief in men’s entitlement to women’s bodies, and a sense of their impunity from the law” (Mphahlele, 2009). Professor Singh, a social anthropologist, explains this behaviour: “… f one looks at South African societies, they are all patriarchal and it is difficult for people who assume authoritative roles in homes to adjust to women assuming their own roles and status within society” (BBC News, 2007).
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You kidding me? I asked a valid question now YOU want to confuse the South African rape culture with American rape culture? Care to compare stats as well as comments by American leaders as compared to South African leaders about rape? You forgot about Zuma?

Typical.

Let me help you.
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Are you 12?
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konfab said:
The person who this woman named as a witness to the shenanigans has denied.It.
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Same guy that literally wrote a book about how he was in a drunken stupour and did dodgy schit at parties. :sneaky:

konfab]3) Feinstein only bought the issue to light after the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearing. The party of protecting women's rights is using the alleged assault of a person to further their political goals.[/QUOTE] Nope said:
Brett Kavanaugh was a public figure long before the nomination.

Allowing him to become an appeals court judge is fine, but the line is drawn at a supreme court.
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So you think her genius plan is to subject herself to this lynch mob and vilification for political reasons, given that she knows criminal prosecution isn't at all likely either way?

And she concocted therapist notes from 2012, and told her friends about it last year, and went to a lawyer in June as part of this political plot, before it was even known that Kennedy would retire?

At no point in this do you stop to think it's possible that a powerful dude is lying about what he did? Given that he's already lied a lot, publicly, because he's clearly ambitious.

We haven't even properly delved into his history working for sex pest former judge Kozinski and what he potentially knows about that. It's very murky at the moment, and Republicans aren't interested in finding out more, of course.

buka001 said:
I love this.

Why would she keep quiet about it for 30 years?

Everyone attacking her ...

Yeah absolutely no idea why she kept it quiet ...
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Exactly. Smeared and attacked from all angles, the whole right wing media machine gone into overdrive to attack her. Doxxed to hell and back, other people with similar names doxxed and their careers derailed, like a different professor with a similar name who had her 'Ratemyprofessor' destroyed by right wing trolls, etc.

Yashar Ali mentioned a woman who contacted him regarding a sexual assault by a current senior government official, and how she got in touch with him again as this unfolded, saying 'look, this is why people stay quiet'.

cerebus said:
We had exactly the same conversations when Trump was being accused of sexual assault. Just as nothing came of it then, I'm quite cynical about anything coming of this either. The only real potential problem for Kavanaugh is that he strenuously denied all the allegations, and her credibility means that he probably lied. It's likely to be much more problematic than some rapey 'hijinks' he got up to at college. Boys will be boys. And presidents. And supreme court judges.
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Given that he lied five times to the Senate already, and lied in his very first comments as SCOTUS nominee, it's not exactly difficult to believe he'd lie about this.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Therein lies the problem, "we believe" what we want to believe. No evidence required apparently. More importantly, while the entire herd of sheep is distracted by that episode of kabuki theatre some real news also happened:

https://nypost.com/2018/09/17/trump-orders-fbi-documents-texts-from-russia-probe-declassified/
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Weird how the NYPost would leave the part out that shows it's a selective declassification. Would be curious if those left out sections would contextualise the information, like every single time before this that they went down this road.

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Predictably.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/18/us/politics/christine-blasey-ford-kavanaugh-senate-hearing.html

In the letter to the Judiciary Committee on Tuesday evening, Dr. Blasey’s lawyers said that she has been the target of “vicious harassment and even death threats” since her name was made public on Sunday in an interview published in The Washington Post. Her email has been hacked, she has been impersonated online and she and her family have been forced to relocate out of their home.
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OrbitalDawn said:
Weird how the NYPost would leave the part out that shows it's a selective declassification. Would be curious if those left out sections would contextualise the information, like every single time before this that they went down this road.
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The wording makes it pretty clear there's specific bit being declassified, how was that "left out"?

It's no different from releasing heavily redacted information, which is what the FBI typically does. Perhaps the missing pages have context that is important, perhaps they contain sensitive information that actually should not be declassified. How would we know?
 
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No response to the question. So I can only assume your idiotic reference to the womans dress code was malicious and out of context.
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Still tooootally missed the point of his post.

Geez. There was not even a rape.
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If only there was a way to describe when someone wanted to commit a crime but wasn't able to go through with it due to circumstances out of their control.
 
cerebus said:
Still tooootally missed the point of his post.



If only there was a way to describe when someone wanted to commit a crime but wasn't able to go through with it due to circumstances out of their control.
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So ruin peoples lives because they made advances (unproven) on a girl 36 years ago as a boy under influence of alcohol at a party (unproven).

I wonder what dirt can a forgotten someone lodge against you and me. Only we know and live with our "concience". LOL.
 
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So ruin peoples lives because they made advances (unproven) on a girl 36 years ago as a boy under influence of alcohol at a party (unproven).
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'made advances'. That's nice and euphemistic for what she claims happened.

The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and four others.

Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stair well from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music precluding any successful attempt to yell for help.

Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with REDACTED, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth I feared he may inadvertently kill me.

From across the room a very drunken REDACTED said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

At one point when REDACTED jumped onto the bed the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stair well at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home.
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It's nothing other than attempted rape. Of course it happened 36 years ago when he was only 17. But the fact that he fully denied it happening would mean he lied under oath, if it did happen. Does that matter, at all?
 
cerebus said:
'made advances'. That's nice and euphemistic for what she claims happened.



It's nothing other than attempted rape. Of course it happened 36 years ago when he was only 17. But the fact that he fully denied it happening would mean he lied under oath, if it did happen. Does that matter, at all?
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Only she said it happened. Maybe she was also drunk and blame the wrong guys? Who knows. No need to stake your life on it.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
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I remember reading something similar with Benghazi and the Trump investigations. I may have the figures slightly wrong but it goes something like Benghazi: 4 years, 0 indictments and 0 guilty pleas. Trump investigation: 1.5 years, 32 indictments and 9 guilty pleas.
 
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