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Hamish McPanji said:
That's the problem with the schit you read. It's full of schit. Did you actually look at the top 40 list quoted in that article?
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I did after you started moaning. I searched and searched and searched and not one single mention of a Canadian steel company. So I'm not really sure what the problem is.
 
It's hard to overstate how bad this week's news about Kushner really is. This article has a useful timeline:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...nce-to-a-key-claim-of-the-steele-dossier.html

Kushner is currently facing potentially massive ramifications for a disastrous $1.8 billion real estate deal he struck a decade ago. The slew of new stories suggest that he may have orchestrated a foreign policy crisis to pressure Qatar to bail him out. Months later, a firm linked to Qatar gave him a staggeringly large loan. All of these vents suggest how Russia might have delivered a possible quid—a potential payment from a huge oil sale through back channels—in return for a Trump administration quo—a reported promise of reduced sanctions.



So the Steele dossier gains credibility and the links to Russia become explicitly clear when you realise that Kushner has been on the hook for $1.8bil debt, which is due to mature next year. And this is the guy Trump has been sending in to broker international peace deals, all without proper security clearance? IMO this is a massive dereliction of duty on the part of the President.
 
Xarog said:
And your point is?
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That you're a bit thick. That is the manufacturing of crude steel, which apparently doesn't exist in Canada because your conservative friends didn't actually check, and you didn't either.


https://www.worldsteel.org/media-ce...e-steel-output-increases-by-5.3--in-2017.html
Go and look at your list again.

No. 1 on that list is Arcelor Mittal. The have manufacturing plants In Canada through ownership of Dofasco.

And Stelco, the Canadian manufacturer is on that list too. It's owned by U.S. Steel, and therefore is on that list

The article you quoted is poo
 
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Xarog said:
And your point is?
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Your article specifically claimed that Canada and Mexico don't produce raw steel but they are both among the top 20 steel producers.
 
Hamish McPanji said:
That you're a bit thick. That is the manufacturing of crude steel, which apparently doesn't exist in Canada because your conservative friends didn't actually check, and you didn't either.


https://www.worldsteel.org/media-ce...e-steel-output-increases-by-5.3--in-2017.html
Go and look at your list again.

No. 1 on that list is Arcelor Mittal. The have manufacturing plants In Canada through ownership of Dofasco.

And Stelco, the Canadian manufacturer is on that list too. It's owned by U.S. Steel, and therefore is on that list

The article you quoted is poo
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According to the stats quoted by C4Cat which gives a country by country breakdown, the article is not "poo" at all.
 
C4Cat said:
Your article specifically claimed that Canada and Mexico don't produce raw steel but they are both among the top 20 steel producers.
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Top 20? Combined they produce less than 2% of the world's steel. Canada produces less than 1%, yet you want me to believe that somehow Canada is America's biggest steel trading partner?

If that's the case, this steel tariff thing is nothing but hot air.
 
Xarog said:
Top 20? Combined they produce less than 2% of the world's steel. Canada produces less than 1%, yet you want me to believe that somehow Canada is America's biggest steel trading partner?

If that's the case, this steel tariff thing is nothing but hot air.
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So Canada does produce it's own steel?
 
C4Cat said:
So Canada does produce it's own steel?
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Explain to me why your point is anything but nitpicking over trivialities that actually have no newsworthy interest.
 
Xarog said:
According to the stats quoted by C4Cat which gives a country by country breakdown, the article is not "poo" at all.
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The key word in that statement from Freeland is “products”. Why? because Canada doesn’t make raw Steel.* (Top 40 List)**
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Poo

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* Canada doesn’t manufacture steel, they purchase steel and manufacture ‘products’
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Poo

This list : https://www.worldsteel.org/en/dam/j...-f25c029b48eb/Top+50+steelmakers+2016_web.pdf
Is a list of producers, and where their HQ are.....not where their steel is produced. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Luxemburg is the biggest steel producer in the world?

This list: https://www.worldsteel.org/media-ce...e-steel-output-increases-by-5.3--in-2017.html
is the biggest countries that produce crude steel. Recognise the difference?
 
Xarog said:
Explain to me why your point is anything but nitpicking over trivialities that actually have no newsworthy interest.
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Well it goes with your article - if you want to post articles which are trivialities that actually have no newsworthy interest then what do you expect exactly?
 
Hamish McPanji said:
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This list : https://www.worldsteel.org/en/dam/j...-f25c029b48eb/Top+50+steelmakers+2016_web.pdf
Is a list of producers, and where their HQ are.....not where their steel is produced. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Luxemburg is the biggest steel producer in the world?

This list: https://www.worldsteel.org/media-ce...e-steel-output-increases-by-5.3--in-2017.html
is the biggest countries that produce crude steel. Recognise the difference?
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Nope, not seeing the difference. Your second link doesn't even mention Canda as far as I can tell. All points of information seems to agree that Canada's steel producing capacities is less than 1% of the world's total production.
 
Xarog said:
Top 20? Combined they produce less than 2% of the world's steel. Canada produces less than 1%, yet you want me to believe that somehow Canada is America's biggest steel trading partner?

If that's the case, this steel tariff thing is nothing but hot air.
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This is what happens when your primary news sources are fringe blogs... I know the MSM scare the piss out of you, but you need to check sources from time to time. If you don’t, you end up picking a hill like this to die on and every argument you make later can be handily ignored ‘cos if you’re this wrong here, how can you be trusted to be right elsewhere.

10 second Google.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/01/can...l-be-hit-hardest-by-trumps-steel-tariffs.html


30 second scan of article, followed by a 20 second Google of data quoted

https://www.trade.gov/steel/countries/pdfs/imports-us.pdf
 
C4Cat said:
Well it goes with your article - if you want to post articles which are trivialities that actually have no newsworthy interest then what do you expect exactly?
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The amount of steel that Canada produces directly is trivially small, as the article states. The amount of steel that is imported into Canada from China appears to be far for significant. I'm guessing you didn't actually click the link and read the contents for yourself, amirite?
 
greg0205 said:
This is what happens when your primary news sources are fringe blogs... I know the MSM scare the piss out of you, but you need to check sources from time to time. If you don’t, you end up picking a hill like this to die on and every argument you make later can be handily ignored ‘cos if you’re this wrong here, how can you be trusted to be right elsewhere.

10 second Google.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/01/can...l-be-hit-hardest-by-trumps-steel-tariffs.html


30 second scan of article, followed by a 20 second Google of data quoted

https://www.trade.gov/steel/countries/pdfs/imports-us.pdf
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So wikipedia is now a fringe blog, huh? :crylaugh: You're absolutely feckless.
 
Xarog said:
Nope, not seeing the difference. Your second link doesn't even mention Canda as far as I can tell. All points of information seems to agree that Canada's steel producing capacities is less than 1% of the world's total production.
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As I said, you're a bit thick

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I thought they don't manufacturer any steel, according to your article?

Are Luxemburg the biggest steel producer in the world?
 
Hamish McPanji said:
As I said, you're a bit thick
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Says the guy who can't provide a direct link to the info he's talking about.

I thought they don't manufacturer any steel, according to your article?

Are Luxemburg the biggest steel producer in the world?
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Oh, ok, so Canada makes less than 1% of the world's steel, like Wikipedia said. It's a pitifully small amount, globally speaking. So if Canada is not in fact importing most of its raw steel from China as per the article's original claims, then this American steel tariff thing is a storm in a teacup that has no major international economic implications.
 
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