US politics general thread

[rietrot]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...berals-blame-porn-lawyer-kavanaugh-nomination

Following Friday's announcement by Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) that she would vote to confirm Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, the left flipped on one of its recent heroes; Michael Avenatti.

In a fiery speech announcing her decision, Collins ripped unsupported claims by Avenatti's client, Julie Swetnick, that Kavanaugh facilitated a Cosby-esque "gang rape" operation while in high school.

Some of the allegations levied against Judge Kavanaugh illustrate why the presumption of innocence is so important. I am thinking in particular not of the allegations raised by Professor Ford, but of the allegation that, when he was a teenager, Judge Kavanaugh drugged multiple girls and used their weakened state to facilitate gang rape.

This outlandish allegation was put forth without any credible supporting evidence and simply parroted public statements of others. That such an allegation can find its way into the Supreme Court confirmation process is a stark reminder about why the presumption of innocence is so ingrained in our American consciousness. -Sen. Susan Collins

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...berals-blame-porn-lawyer-kavanaugh-nomination

The cherry on the cake: once their screams and pathetic flailing fails miserably they start to attack their own

 

[Gnarls]

The cherry on the cake: once their screams and pathetic flailing fails miserably they start to attack their own

But conservatards....

 

[BBSA]

 

[konfab]

These women are gender traitors, to borrow a term from the dystopian TV series “The Handmaid’s Tale.” They’ve made standing by the patriarchy a full-time job. The women who support them show up at the Capitol wearing “Women for Kavanaugh” T-shirts, but also probably tell their daughters to put on less revealing clothes when they go out.

They’re more sympathetic to Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, who actually shooed away a crowd of women and told them to “grow up.” Or Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, whose response to a woman telling him she was raped was: “I’m sorry. Call the cops.”

These are the kind of women who think that being falsely accused of rape is almost as bad as being raped. The kind of women who agree with President Trump that “it’s a very scary time for young men in America,” which he said during a news conference on Tuesday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/06/opinion/lisa-murkowski-susan-collins-kavanaugh.html

They should keep this up.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

It's like the 2016 election all over again. The meltdown is epic.

 

[Seriously]

Christine Ford’s attorneys reveal significant development concerning her Kavanaugh allegations

Lawyers for Christine Blasey Ford, the woman who initially accused newly confirmed Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct, revealed Friday their client will not pursue additional action against Kavanaugh.

The development is very significant.

What are the details?

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/...l-not-pursue-further-action-against-kavanaugh

 

[Unhappy438]

Again.... what has that got to do with 'lock them up'.

You're still hung up on the headline and not the content of the article.

How has it got anything to do with 'due process for some, lock them up for others'?
Did he say 'they must not get due process'? Did he say 'skip trial straight to jail'? At any point in anything you have quoted has he said, implied, overtones, undertones, anything at all that has to do with 'they must not get due process' or 'lock them up without the law being involved' or anything remotely pointing to anything to do with the 'law must not be followed for some'? Did he say 'lock them up'? Anything? Anywhere? Where has this orange 'weaved' ape said anything close to 'the law and due process must be ignored, lock them up'?

If thats the bar for respecting due process then the democrats themselves have respected due process, of course that isn't the bar with Trumpets when it comes to others.

This mental gymnastics from media re trump is turning into insanity, its not even laughable to watch anymore, just sad and desperate

The irony.

As said in my first response on this, crowd of random nobodies say 'lock them up', trump is therefore saying 'due process for some, lock them up for others'... leaps and bounds... how that managed to make it to print is astounding

And as I've said on numerous occasions, you're still hung up on the lock em up part of the article.

 

[Unhappy438]

And some of you guys say the lefties are guilty of circle jerking, the last three pages have been one big circle jerk.

 

[Temujin]

You're still hung up on the headline and not the content of the article.



If thats the bar for respecting due process then the democrats themselves have respected due process, of course that isn't the bar with Trumpets when it comes to others.



The irony.



And as I've said on numerous occasions, you're still hung up on the lock em up part of the article.

Sooo... you're agreeing with me that its garbage, the content and title have nothing in common and is all bs...

 

[Temujin]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/06/opinion/lisa-murkowski-susan-collins-kavanaugh.html

They should keep this up.

Wow... who would have thought we're living in a time where woman who think for themselves(eg, want more than just 'but she is woman' as evidence) and now targeted and labelled by... dum dum duuuum... woman... for not mindlessly following the herd

 

[OrbitalDawn]

As said in my first response on this, crowd of random nobodies say 'lock them up', trump is therefore saying 'due process for some, lock them up for others'... leaps and bounds... how that managed to make it to print is astounding

Crowd of random nobodies = people at all his rallies. Is he unaware of what they're saying?

And he said himself:

"I will say this, Hillary Clinton has got to go to jail,” he told supporters during a rally in June 2016. Later, in a debate with the former first lady, Trump the specific steps he would take in order to make that happen if he became president."

Not to mention his purge of DOJ officials that he disliked.

And he expressly curtailed due process in the Kavanaugh case. A sham hearing and investigation that doesn't talk to the majority of relevant people (including the accused and accuser themselves) and doesn't investigate very relevant information is not due process.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

And he expressly curtailed due process in the Kavanaugh case. A sham hearing and investigation that doesn't talk to the majority of relevant people (including the accused and accuser themselves) and doesn't investigate very relevant information is not due process.

damn you swallowed every single lefty line from CNN!

If we're talking Kavanaugh and Hildebeest btw: the FBI investigated both, found zero evidence in one case and solid evidence in the other. It is no surprise that they didn't recommend criminal prosecution for a case without evidence, that is still due process being followed.

The real surprise was how they could recommend that the AG does not prosecute a case despite having solid evidence, that is due process not being followed. Literally overstepping their mandate to prevent Hildebeest from going to court.

 

[Temujin]

Crowd of random nobodies = people at all his rallies. Is he unaware of what they're saying?

And he said himself:



Not to mention his purge of DOJ officials that he disliked.

And he expressly curtailed due process in the Kavanaugh case. A sham hearing and investigation that doesn't talk to the majority of relevant people (including the accused and accuser themselves) and doesn't investigate very relevant information is not due process.

My gawd, I'm gob smacked... you've just done the exact same thing I've been arguing media has done and you don't even see it... even after quoting me that points out the problem.
'Unaware', I'm sure hes aware... but again, how does 'the crowd' chanting translate into HIM saying it?
I give up. If you guys can't see the problem there, which you obviously can't as you've just done the same thing as media, then we're done. #thanksobama and all that

 

[Unhappy438]

Sooo... you're agreeing with me that its garbage, the content and title have nothing in common and is all bs...

Comprehension not your strong point hey.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

My gawd, I'm gob smacked... you've just done the exact same thing I've been arguing media has done and you don't even see it... even after quoting me that points out the problem.
'Unaware', I'm sure hes aware... but again, how does 'the crowd' chanting translate into HIM saying it?
I give up. If you guys can't see the problem there, which you obviously can't as you've just done the same thing as media, then we're done. #thanksobama and all that

Right, so doesn't address any of the issues - go for generic 'muh media' spiel. He literally said she should be thrown in jail (which would be locking her up, ya know?).

In your mind he's suck a stickler for 'due process', yet somehow isn't able to stand up for it when it's his supporters chanting to have their political opponents jailed or when they're purging law enforcement agencies to get rid of people that aren't showing the proper fealty.

 

[Temujin]

Right, so doesn't address any of the issues - go for generic 'muh media' spiel. He literally said she should be thrown in jail (which would be locking her up, ya know?).

In your mind he's suck a stickler for 'due process', yet somehow isn't able to stand up for it when it's his supporters chanting to have their political opponents jailed or when they're purging law enforcement agencies to get rid of people that aren't showing the proper fealty.

Right, so ignores the question, go for generic 'meh trump' spiel.

I've asked many many times now. What has is got to do bla bla bla

Show me one, just one, tweet, video, anything, where trump says lock them up etc etc etc without due process. I'm not retyping, as I'm just repeating, its all above. Just one. Show me where he says, due process for some, not for others.

"He literally said she should be thrown in jail (which would be locking her up, ya know?)." - where does he say without due process? Where does he say ignore the laws? Same questions I've listed before, multiple times.

Just to be clear. His rally crowd saying it is not him saying it. This 'he is aware therefore he is doing it' angle you've gone for is BS.

Show me one, just one quote, video, tweet, anything, of trump saying due process must be ignored.
Show me one, just one quote, video, tweet, anything, of trump saying 'lock them/her/it/hillary/anyone up without due process'.
As above, and as said before I'm even happy with "implied, overtones, undertones, anything at all that has to do with 'they must not get due process"
Just one.
One.

 

[Temujin]

Comprehension not your strong point hey.

Indeed, my comprehension is the problem... my argument is 'Trump Pushes Due Process For Some, 'Lock' Them Up For Others' is BS, you want me to ignore it and not be 'hung up' on it cos you can't answer the questions and show me it isn't BS

I'm actually just skipping straight to the ignore button

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Right, so ignores the question, go for generic 'meh trump' spiel.

I've asked many many times now. What has is got to do bla bla bla

Show me one, just one, tweet, video, anything, where trump says lock them up etc etc etc without due process. I'm not retyping, as I'm just repeating, its all above. Just one. Show me where he says, due process for some, not for others.

"He literally said she should be thrown in jail (which would be locking her up, ya know?)." - where does he say without due process? Where does he say ignore the laws? Same questions I've listed before, multiple times.

Just to be clear. His rally crowd saying it is not him saying it. This 'he is aware therefore he is doing it' angle you've gone for is BS.

Show me one, just one quote, video, tweet, anything, of trump saying due process must be ignored.
Show me one, just one quote, video, tweet, anything, of trump saying 'lock them/her/it/hillary/anyone up without due process'.
As above, and as said before I'm even happy with "implied, overtones, undertones, anything at all that has to do with 'they must not get due process"
Just one.
One.

In addition to the one I've already provided...

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-38067815/trump-to-clinton-you-d-be-in-jail-for-emails

Donald Trump tells Hillary Clinton during the second presidential debate that if he was in charge of the nation's laws "you'd be in jail".

http://time.com/5330911/donald-trump-migrants-due-process/

In a series of tweets on Thursday morning, President Donald Trump again called for removing immigrants who cross the border illegally without providing them with legal recourse.

This is not the first time Trump has suggested stripping immigrants of their due process rights. On June 24, he tweeted that when they “invade” our country, the U.S. “must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, bring them back from where they came.”

https://www.charlestoncitypaper.com...ina-already-has-a-law-that-would-do-just-that

Donald J. Trump

✔@realDonaldTrump
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803567993036754944
Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-comments-on-due-process-2018-3?r=US&IR=T

"take the firearms first and then go to court,” he interrupted. “Because a lot of times, by the time you go to court, it takes so long to go to court, to get the due process procedures. I like taking the guns early.”

Trump concluded, “Take the guns first, go through due process second.”

Trump doubles down on turning away undocumented immigrants with no due process

https://www.thedailybeast.com/james-comey-welcome-to-the-long-list-of-people-trump-wants-to-jail

Donald J. Trump

✔@realDonaldTrump
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/787267564405653505
Hillary Clinton should have been prosecuted and should be in jail. Instead she is running for president in what looks like a rigged election

The president tweeted that Huma Abedin, Clinton’s longtime aide, “put Classified Passwords into the hands of foreign agents,” and punctuated the tweet with: “Jail!”

James Comey has been subject to the most recent round of lock-him-up taunts from Trump, with the president saying that the former FBI director should be behind bars for allegedly giving up classified information and lying to Congress.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Worth watching on how the "presumption of innocence" actually plays out in reality for most people.