US politics general thread

[Hamish McPanji]

This is hilarious. You lot are a bit thick tbh.

This is how this works. Pick the result and read the conclusion is stated after it

Republican wins by 100% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Republican wins by 80% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Republican wins by 60% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Republican wins by 40% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Republican wins by 20% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Republican wins by small margin : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

It's a draw or forfeit : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Democrat wins by small margin : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Democrat wins by 20% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to

Democrat wins by 40% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Democrat wins by 60% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Democrat wins by 80% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Democrat wins by 100% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Election gets postponed or cancelled: Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

America gets invaded and democracy gets cancelled : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

The Aliens arrive , and destroy everything : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do


Checkmate, bitches!!

 

[rietrot]

This is hilarious. You lot are a bit thick tbh.

This is how this works. Pick the result and read the conclusion is stated after it

Republican wins by 100% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Republican wins by 80% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Republican wins by 60% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Republican wins by 40% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Republican wins by 20% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Republican wins by small margin : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

It's a draw or forfeit : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Democrat wins by small margin : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Democrat wins by 20% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to

Democrat wins by 40% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Democrat wins by 60% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Democrat wins by 80% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Democrat wins by 100% : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

Election gets postponed or cancelled: Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

America gets invaded and democracy gets cancelled : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do

The Aliens arrive , and destroy everything : Trump is doing what he was put in place to do


Checkmate, bitches!!

Finally someone that gets it. Hallelujah

 

[Xarog]

The federal judge assigned to the criminal case against Trump's former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn has ordered Special Counsel Robert Mueller to turn over any "exculpatory evidence" to Flynn's defense team.

Oddly, however, Flynn's legal team did not make this request. Instead, Judge Emmet G. Sullivan issued the order "sua sponte," or at his discretion, invoking the "Brady Rule" - which requires prosecutors to turn over previously unfiled evidence that might have a material impact on a defendant's case. Interestingly, two days before the order Mueller filed a motion for an agreed-upon protective order regarding the use of evidence in the case, including "sensitive materials," provided to Flynn's lawyers by the office of the Special Counsel.

As The Hill notes, Sullivan dinged federal prosecutors in the trial of former Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) for misconduct in failing to turn over exculpatory evidence.

The development has generated a significant buzz in conservative circles, with the implication being that perhaps Flynn might not have pleaded guilty in light of certain evidence.

Judge Andrew Napolitano addressed Sullivan's decision on Tuesday, saying The judge on his own, not in response to any application from General Flynns lawyers says, "By the way, I want all exculpatory evidence, evidence that could help Flynn or hurt the government turned over to Flynns lawyers."

Why would he we want that after General Flynn has already pleaded guilty? That is unheard of. He must suspect a defect in the guilty plea. Meaning, he must have reason to believe that General Flynn pleaded guilty for some reason other than guilt.

Adding to the odd turn of events in the Flynn matter is a February 1 report that Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team has postponed Flynn's sentencing due to the "status" of the investigation.

Some have speculated that Mueller's request indicates Flynn is cooperating with his investigation. Others, such as former federal prosecutor Joe diGenova, think that "It may very well be that the guilty plea cannot stand" after D.C. Judge Rudolph Contreras - who also sits on the FISA court and may have personally signed off on surveillance warrant(s) which ultimately included Flynn- recused himself days after he was assigned Flynn's case.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...-flynn-case-asks-mueller-exculpatory-evidence

Are you paying attention, Greg?

 

[greg0205]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...-flynn-case-asks-mueller-exculpatory-evidence

Are you paying attention, Greg?

Well, look at that. I have 15 minutes to kill and I'm in the mood for ****s and giggles.

Lets do this. (Fair warning, this post is going to be long... Real long)

Remember the other day, when I posted a Twitter string from Seth Abramson outlining, with links and citations, how 45 was lying about not knowing he'd be running before 2016? No? Ya musta missed it then... Or perhaps you read it and knew your cause was lost on that one, whichever.

Anyway

Imagine my surprise when Seth Tweeted about this very subject today. He was responding to this article from The Hill... http://thehill.com/policy/national-...r-in-flynn-case-prompts-new-round-of-scrutiny

Seth Abramson‏ Verified account
@SethAbramson

Seth Abramson Retweeted The Hill
Defendants request—and prosecutors must supply—this sort of evidence in all cases. An IG report has been prepared that *may* produce evidence previously unknown to and undiscovered by Flynn—so the judge ordered the evidence produced. Withdrawing a guilty plea is *extremely* hard.

Seth Abramson‏ Verified account
@SethAbramson

2/ In other words, no: nothing here raises questions about Flynn's guilty plea. The judge is noting that a prosecutor's obligation to provide Brady material extends beyond the date of plea if there is new Brady material known to the prosecution.

Flynn isn't withdrawing his plea.

Seth Abramson‏ Verified account
@SethAbramson

3/ In theory, post-plea Brady material *could* lead a defendant to try to withdraw a plea, but a) the "new" Brady material here isn't *factually* exculpatory and only tangentially relevant, b) only in an *infinitesimal* percentage of cases does a defendant try to withdraw a plea.

Seth Abramson‏ Verified account
@SethAbramson

4/ That conservatives like Napolitano are jumping on this news as an indication that Flynn could, and perhaps should, withdraw his plea is just further evidence of how—in the view of most criminal attorneys—the GOP has gone over the cliff and bigly in its crusade to defend Trump.

Seth Abramson‏ Verified account
@SethAbramson

Seth Abramson Retweeted Susan Simpson
5/ For a broader and longer view of this rather run-of-the-mill legal issue, see this excellent thread on the subject (which notes some specific information about this particular judge and this particular criminal case that is indispensable):

http://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/966134325078036480

Lets have a look at Susan's Twitter thread then. Full disclosure, it has links and citations as well as Flynn Jr, Cernovich and Posobiec retweets, so you might want to put on a crash helmet.

Susan Simpson‏
@TheViewFromLL2

Susan Simpson Retweeted Joseph J. Flynn
Right-wing outlets are continuing to push the world's dumbest criminal procedure conspiracy theory about the Michael Flynn case. Here is a (hopefully short) thread on why this claim is absolutely bat****.

Susan Simpson‏
@TheViewFromLL2

First, a recap of what this new right-wing conspiracy theory actually is. Last Friday, Judge Emmet Sullivan entered a new order in the case. It was a standing order that outlines the prosecution's production obligations under Brady v. Maryland.

Susan Simpson‏
@TheViewFromLL2

Susan Simpson Retweeted Mike Cernovich
The entry of this standing order is (supposedly) the big tip off that Judge Sullivan is about to bring the righteous hammer of justice down on Special Counsel Mueller for his corruptly corrupt prosecuting ways.

Susan Simpson‏
@TheViewFromLL2

Susan Simpson Retweeted Jack Posobiec
Their belief is that after Judge Sullivan discovered Mueller had withheld exculpatory evidence from Flynn, he entered the standing order as Flynn's cue to file a motion to withdraw his guilty plea. Ergo, Flynn shall soon be cleared of all wrongdoing.

Susan Simpson‏
@TheViewFromLL2

In reality, Judge Sullivan entered the exact same revised standing Brady order in the Flynn case that he also entered in ALL of the criminal cases he's currently presiding over. It indicates absolutely nothing about the status of the Flynn case in particular.

Susan Simpson‏
@TheViewFromLL2

Judge Sullivan has a fantastic article on why constitutional disclosure requirements ought to be codified in federal crim pro and why, as a stopgap measure, he enters standing Brady orders in all of his cases.

Susan Simpson‏
@TheViewFromLL2

What happened in the Flynn case -- and why a minor procedural issue has now turned into this numbnuts conspiracy theory -- is due to Judge Sullivan's procedure of making periodic updates to these standing orders to reflect developments in the law.

Susan Simpson‏
@TheViewFromLL2

Up until October 2017, Judge Sullivan used a version of the standing order that had a section on production requirements that looked like this:

Susan Simpson‏
@TheViewFromLL2

Then in November, he revised his standard order to reflect the unsettled nature of our current case law regarding what Brady requires to be disclosed in plea cases. Here's a copy of Judge Sullivan's current standing Brady order:

Susan Simpson‏
@TheViewFromLL2

The earlier version of the order directed the production of all 'favorable and material' evidence, including in plea cases. The revised version was more nuanced: the government must produce "during plea negotiations, *any exculpatory evidence* in the government’s possession."

Susan Simpson‏
@TheViewFromLL2

Basically: Judge Sullivan's standing order requires the gov't to produce evidence that tends to show the defendant's innocence in all cases, including cases heading towards a plea. But in plea cases, as opposed to trials, the gov't may not have to hand over impeachment evidence.

Susan Simpson‏
@TheViewFromLL2

Anyway, on November 20, 2017, Judge Sullivan went and entered this new version of the standing Brady order in all of his cases. (These cases also all already had the prior version of the Brady order entered on the docket when the cases were originally filed.)

Susan Simpson‏
@TheViewFromLL2

Then a couple weeks later, the Flynn and Mueller reach a plea deal and the case is filed. Shortly after that, the judge originally assigned to the case was recused. Judge Sullivan was randomly reassigned, and first thing he did was to enter his standing Brady order, as usual.

Susan Simpson‏
@TheViewFromLL2

Only there was a slight mix up, and Judge Sullivan's prior version of the standing order -- the one that was in place up through October 2017 -- was entered on the docket, instead of the newly revised version of the order:

Susan Simpson‏
@TheViewFromLL2

So, fast-forward a couple months to last Friday, and someone now realizes that the wrong order got entered on the Flynn docket, and that they need to file the updated version.

No big deal, normally. It would be not be any kind of deal at all in pretty much any other case.

Susan Simpson‏
@TheViewFromLL2

But this isn't any other case. So to avoid having something so incredibly minor get blown out of all proportion, Judge Sullivan's new filling included a quick docket entry to explain why the filing was made, and why it didn't reflect anything in particular about Flynn's case.

Susan Simpson‏
@TheViewFromLL2

Unfortunately it didn't work. The alt-right jackwagons decided that this routine administrative filing is BREAKING NEWS that Flynn's guilty plea is about to be dismissed and Mueller is going to jail, or something.

We are officially living in the dumbest timeline.
/end

http://twitter.com/TheViewFromLL2/status/965728445161443329

I'mma give you a moment to work through the actual tweets and links, not just the quotes here. I'm also going to give you a minute to have a good cry afterward.

Anyway, fifteen minutes up... Time for a Coffee.

 

[Xarog]

Well, look at that. I have 15 minutes to kill and I'm in the mood for ****s and giggles.

Lets do this. (Fair warning, this post is going to be long... Real long)

Remember the other day, when I posted a Twitter string from Seth Abramson outlining, with links and citations, how 45 was lying about not knowing he'd be running before 2016? No? Ya musta missed it then... Or perhaps you read it and knew your cause was lost on that one, whichever.

Anyway

Imagine my surprise when Seth Tweeted about this very subject today. He was responding to this article from The Hill... http://thehill.com/policy/national-...r-in-flynn-case-prompts-new-round-of-scrutiny











http://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/966134325078036480

Lets have a look at Susan's Twitter thread then. Full disclosure, it has links and citations as well as Flynn Jr, Cernovich and Posobiec retweets, so you might want to put on a crash helmet.



































http://twitter.com/TheViewFromLL2/status/965728445161443329

I'mma give you a moment to work through the actual tweets and links, not just the quotes here. I'm also going to give you a minute to have a good cry afterward.

Anyway, fifteen minutes up... Time for a Coffee.

So wait, this case with Flynn just happens to be the first case where this revised Brady order was applied, and you think there's nothing odd about that? :crylaugh:

 

[greg0205]

So wait, this case with Flynn just happens to be the first case where this revised Brady order was applied, and you think there's nothing odd about that? :crylaugh:

Asked and answered (and ignored i assume). Bats**t Covfefe that way ------->

 

[Xarog]

Asked and answered (and ignored i assume). Bats**t Covfefe that way ------->

Tell me, if a judge was actually attempting to smoke out some dodgy dealings without giving the game away, would he not place a nice explanatory note saying how this particular change was just routine when it was actually anything but?

Since you're quoting Cernovich et. al. have you looked into what he said has happened with the Flynn case? I mean, he's a sleazeball and all, but unfortunately he's a sleazeball with good sources so you can't discount him completely. Do you think he's BSing?

 

[greg0205]

Tell me, if a judge was actually attempting to smoke out some dodgy dealings without giving the game away, would he not place a nice explanatory note saying how this particular change was just routine when it was actually anything but?

Since you're quoting Cernovich et. al. have you looked into what he said has happened with the Flynn case? I mean, he's a sleazeball and all, but unfortunately he's a sleazeball with good sources so you can't discount him completely. Do you think he's BSing?

Pizzagate guy? Drunk and living in the spare room 'cos of his sex tape guy? He's the real deal

Yes, he's BSing.

 

[Xarog]

Pizzagate guy? Drunk and living in the spare room 'cos of his sex tape guy? He's the real deal

Yes, he's BSing.

K.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...including-peter-strzok-didnt-think-flynn-lied
http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/374675-what-is-the-fbi-hiding-in-its-war-to-protect-comey

Just [-]one[/-] three more questions, really. Why was McCabe basically forced into early retirement by the FBI? Was he the agent overseeing Strzok in the Flynn case or not? Does Comey lie or tell the truth?

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Pizzagate guy? Drunk and living in the spare room 'cos of his sex tape guy? He's the real deal

Yes, he's BSing.

How very dare you ! Pizzagate is true, mkay!! It will be all revealed by April.

Read more in the BS crazy thread....where the truth reveals itself

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Robert Mueller files new charges against former Trump aides Paul Manafort and Rick Gates

New sealed criminal charges have been filed in federal court in the criminal case brought by special counsel Robert Mueller against Donald Trump’s former senior campaign aides Paul Manafort and Rick Gates, a court record seen by Reuters on Wednesday showed.

The single page, filed at the US district court for the District of Columbia, does not shed light on the nature of the new charges. Its inclusion in a binder in the court clerk’s office that is routinely updated with new criminal charges signals that Mueller’s office has filed a superseding indictment replacing a previous one from last year.

 

[Unhappy1]

Florida House declares porn a public health risk shortly after denying assault rifle ban

Florida lawmakers on Tuesday passed a resolution declaring pornography a public health risk, less than an hour after they rejected a motion to consider a bill that would ban assault rifles.

Smith later criticized Spano and the bill to The Associated Press.

“[Spano] was saying porn as a health risk was more important to address here in the Florida Legislature than the epidemic of gun violence," Smith told the AP. "These are their priorities. I don't understand the politics, to be honest, if I'm being honest. I'm not aware there's a base of voters who are losing sleep every night over the epidemic of pornography as a public health crisis."

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...lare-porn-a-public-health-risk-within-an-hour

Dont worry though, the president can bang porn stars, no problem. Just Republitard things.

 

[Unhappy1]

Man who says he was a Russian 'troll' arrested after going public

Russian police have reportedly arrested a man who has claimed to be a worker at a so-called troll factory in St. Petersburg, Russia, hours after he gave interviews to foreign journalists and lifted the lid on a secretive organization the U.S. Department of Justice last week accused of trying to undermine the 2016 presidential election.

He was then detained Sunday by police who accused him and a friend of making a false report about a bomb near his village outside St. Petersburg, he told The Moscow Times.

"Your first feeling, when you were there, was that you were at some factory that turned a lie into a conveyor belt,” Mindiyarov told The Washington Post Saturday. “The volumes were enormous; there were a huge number of people, from 300 to 400, and they all wrote an absolute lie. It was like in the world of [novelist George] Orwell, the place where you have to say that white is black, and black is white.”

http://abcnews.go.com/International/man-russian-troll-arrested-public/story?id=53214882

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Right-Wing Media Uses Parkland Shooting as Conspiracy Fodder

Right wing media and conspiracy theory mongers now targeting kids and survivors of a school shooting, because they haven't seen a low they wouldn't stoop to.

Xarog's new favourite go-to GatewayPundit being one of the main proponents of this detestable stuff.

 

[Xarog]

Right-Wing Media Uses Parkland Shooting as Conspiracy Fodder

Right wing media and conspiracy theory mongers now targeting kids and survivors of a school shooting, because they haven't seen a low they wouldn't stoop to.

Xarog's new favourite go-to GatewayPundit being one of the main proponents of this detestable stuff.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/21/us/david-hogg-conspiracy-theories-response/index.html

Most convincing guy ever! (watch the video around 1:35-1:40 :crylaugh: )

Then there's also this...
[video=youtube_share;Bl_Y1X174Zw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPe0SPf8j2M[/video]
Talk about coached testimony...

 

[Unhappy1]

Xarog's new favourite go-to GatewayPundit being one of the main proponents of this detestable stuff.

/sigh

Why did you awaken the Xannon in this thread?

 

[greg0205]

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/21/us/david-hogg-conspiracy-theories-response/index.html

Most convincing guy ever! (watch the video around 1:35-1:40 :crylaugh: )

Then there's also this...
[video=youtube_share;Bl_Y1X174Zw]https://youtu.be/Bl_Y1X174Zw[/video]
Talk about coached testimony...

And there it is!

Xarog with the debunked and ghoulish bull**** conspiracy theory the alt-reich have been propagating all day.

Well done! You’re as gullible as you are predictable.

Remember when I said we’d miss you when you when you’re gone? We won’t.

Also, numnuts hackery thread that way ———>

 

[Xarog]

Wow, they're trying so hard to censor this stuff. Never seen anything like it.

And there it is!

Xarog with the debunked and ghoulish bull**** conspiracy theory the alt-reich have been propagating all day.

Well done! You’re as gullible as you are predictable.

Remember when I said we’d miss you when you when you’re gone? We won’t.

Also, numnuts hackery thread that way ———>

Shame, what part of the video on CNN where he can't even keep his story straight is "conspiracy theory"? :crylaugh:

 

[greg0205]

Here’s a pic from 45’s “listening session” with points to remind him how actual humans act.

 

[Xarog]

https://twitter.com/RealWednesdayy/status/966373501505449984

Ok, if this clown is on the up and up, how come he can't even get basic facts right like the supposed time of the shooting right while recording footage that is purportedly in the middle of the shooting itself?