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But George Soros, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are definitley trafficking teenagers for ritual sacrifice and sex, right?

Get.Help.
The arguments he puts forward are garbage. Insulting me doesn't change the fact. He's wildly wrong about Nunes motives for publishing the memo, he doesn't actually speak to the legal requirements with respect to the fisa warrant at all (hint: no mention of probable cause could be found), and his entire argument is legally specious.

The fact of the matter is you have no hope of being able to substantiate any of his claims. So by all means, carry on with the invectives, but I hope you recognise that's the only thing you can do here.
 
The arguments he puts forward are garbage. Insulting me doesn't change the fact. He's wildly wrong about Nunes motives for publishing the memo, he doesn't actually speak to the legal requirements with respect to the fisa warrant at all (hint: no mention of probable cause could be found), and his entire argument is legally specious.

The fact of the matter is you have no hope of being able to substantiate any of his claims. So by all means, carry on with the invectives, but I hope you recognise that's the only thing you can do here.

Oh you sweet summer child... I'm absolutely going with the Harvard Law graduate over the South African keyboard crusader on this.
 
Oh you sweet summer child... I'm absolutely going with the Harvard Law graduate over the South African keyboard crusader on this.
Well I just bookmarked this post so I can requote it later. ;)
 
Good for you. Hope it's before April. There might not be an opportunity after...
I'm sure we won't have to wait until April for all of this to unravel.

In the mean time, though...

https://www.justsecurity.org/39886/high-bar-fisa-warrant-monitor-carter-page/

In an article titled, “It Ain’t Easy Getting a FISA Warrant: I Was an FBI Agent and Should Know,” here’s what Rangappa wrote:

… As someone who obtained FISA warrants while conducting counterintelligence investigations for the FBI, I can attest to the fact that they not only don’t involve the White House, but the process includes too many layers of approval to be granted without strong evidence.

There are two ways to obtain a wiretap – also known as electronic surveillance – on U.S. persons (citizens and permanent residents), and both include the courts. For criminal investigations, the FBI can seek a warrant under Title III of the U.S. criminal code by showing a federal court that there is probable cause to believe the target has engaged, or is engaging in, criminal activity. This is a fairly high standard because of a strong presumption in favor of our Fourth Amendment right to privacy, and requires a showing that less intrusive means of obtaining the same information aren’t feasible.

The standard for electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes, though, is a little lower. This is because when it comes to national security, as opposed to criminal prosecutions, our Fourth Amendment rights are balanced against the government’s interest in protecting the country. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) allows the FBI to get a warrant from a secret court, known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), to conduct electronic surveillance on U.S. persons if they can show probable cause that the target is an “agent of a foreign power” who is “knowingly engag[ing]…in clandestine intelligence activities.” In other words, the government has to show that the target might be spying for a foreign government or organization.

But even under this standard, it’s not like the FBI can just decide to stop by a FISC to get a FISA warrant after going through the McDonald’s drive-thru for lunch. To even begin the process leading to a FISA, the FBI has to follow several steps outlined in the Attorney General Guidelines, which govern FBI investigations. First, the FBI has to conduct a “threat assessment” in order to establish grounds for even opening an investigation on potential FISA subjects. If a threat exists, the FBI must then formally open an investigation into possible foreign intelligence activity.

What does this look like in practice? Well, say, hypothetically, that a group of U.S. persons seem to have not infrequent contact with diplomats known to be Russian spies, whom the FBI are already monitoring. (Pro-tip: While it’s possible that such contacts could be accidental – I mean, hypothetically, the Trump inner circle could be a riot to hang out with socially – spies, particularly Russian ones, are pretty good at what they do and don’t spend time with people unless there’s a good reason.) The FBI might determine that, if the U.S. persons have access to classified information or could otherwise be “developed” for intelligence purposes by a foreign spy service, a significant enough threat exists to open an investigation – this would require at least one layer of approval within the FBI, and possibly more if the investigation concerns high-profile individuals.

The case still wouldn’t be FISA bound. FISA warrant investigations can’t be opened “solely on the basis of First Amendment activities,” so mere fraternization, even with sketchy people, wouldn’t be enough. The FBI would have to gather evidence to support a the claim that the U.S. target was knowingly working on behalf of a foreign entity. This could include information gathered from other methods like human sources, physical surveillance, bank transactions or even documents found in the target’s trash. This takes some time, and, when enough evidence had been accumulated, would be outlined in an affidavit and application stating the grounds for the FISA warrant. The completed FISA application would go up for approval through the FBI chain of command, including a Supervisor, the Chief Division Counsel (the highest lawyer within that FBI field office), and finally, the Special Agent in Charge of the field office, before making its way to FBI Headquarters to get approval by (at least) the Unit-level Supervisor there. If you’re exhausted already, hang on: There’s more.

The FISA application then travels to the Justice Department where attorneys from the National Security Division comb through the application to verify all the assertions made in it. Known as “Woods procedures” after Michael J. Woods, the FBI Special Agent attorney who developed this layer of approval, DOJ verifies the accuracy of every fact stated in the application. If anything looks unsubstantiated, the application is sent back to the FBI to provide additional evidentiary support – this game of bureaucratic chutes and ladders continues until DOJ is satisfied that the facts in the FISA application can both be corroborated and meet the legal standards for the court. After getting sign-off from a senior DOJ official (finally!), a lawyer from DOJ takes the FISA application before the FISC, comprised of eleven federal district judges who sit on the court on a rotating basis. The FISC reviews the application in secret, and decides whether to approve the warrant.

Your Harvard lawyer is a dunce, pure and simple.
 
Maybe Nunes shouldn't have authored a reauthorisation bill that changed absolutely nothing about the process and voted against amendments that would have strengthened privacy protections as proposed by a group of Democrats and some Republicans...

Indeed and why should we take Nunes seriously now anyway? Its well established hes a lying POS.
 
They need to get to the bottom of these FISA abuses.
 
Seeing as this is the US politics thread, I was reading up on the B-2 spirit program and it struck me how the military industrial complex has the country by their collective balls. They spend inordinate amounts of money on useless crap and equipment they don't even need, yet their infrastructure gets no love. Maybe Trump is right to want to focus there but I guess he too is being had by the nuts & won't touch the holy cow that is military spending when infrastructure would be the one sure fire way he could MAGA.

/random musing
 
Seeing as this is the US politics thread, I was reading up on the B-2 spirit program and it struck me how the military industrial complex has the country by their collective balls. They spend inordinate amounts of money on useless crap and equipment they don't even need, yet their infrastructure gets no love. Maybe Trump is right to want to focus there but I guess he too is being had by the nuts & won't touch the holy cow that is military spending when infrastructure would be the one sure fire way he could MAGA.

/random musing

He is right to focus there, but considering he's ceded all policy to the Republican establishment (and he's very uninformed and uninterested in being informed) it's unlikely anything substantial will be done.

Infrastructure investment was also a focus for Obama, but go nowhere because Repubs controlled Congress.

You're right about the military industrial complex's grip on them, though. Like how they've repeatedly spent more on M1 Abrams tanks, despite the Army repeatedly saying they don't need them.

https://www.military.com/daily-news...n-buys-abrams-tanks-the-army-doesnt-want.html

The new defense spending bill includes $120 million for tanks that the Army has repeatedly said it doesn't want.

For three years, the Army in numerous Congressional hearings has pushed a plan that essentially would have suspended tank building and upgrades in the U.S. for the first time since World War II. The Army suggested that production lines could be kept open through foreign sales.

Each time, Congress has pushed back. Last week, Congress won again in the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2015.
 
Koch Document Reveals Laundry List of Policy Victories Extracted from the Trump Administration

IN THE BACKDROP of a chaotic first year of Donald Trump’s presidency, the conservative Koch brothers have won victory after victory in their bid to reshape American government to their interests.

Documents obtained by The Intercept and Documented show that the network of wealthy donors led by billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch have taken credit for a laundry list of policy achievements extracted from the Trump administration and their allies in Congress.

The donors have pumped campaign contributions not only to GOP lawmakers, but also to an array of third-party organizations that have pressured officials to act swiftly to roll back limits on pollution, approve new pipeline projects, and extend the largest set of upper-income tax breaks in generations.

The swamp is happy.
 
[video=youtube_share;BU-H0orJV68]https://youtu.be/BU-H0orJV68[/video]
 
Seeing as this is the US politics thread, I was reading up on the B-2 spirit program and it struck me how the military industrial complex has the country by their collective balls. They spend inordinate amounts of money on useless crap and equipment they don't even need, yet their infrastructure gets no love. Maybe Trump is right to want to focus there but I guess he too is being had by the nuts & won't touch the holy cow that is military spending when infrastructure would be the one sure fire way he could MAGA.

/random musing
Agreed in general, except the example of the B-2. The B-2 is incredibly succesful and unrivalled in its lethality. In this case the USA gets a big return on its investment.

However programs such as the F-35, the M-2 Bradley and so on are shinning examples of how the MIC just runs riot.
 
Agreed in general, except the example of the B-2. The B-2 is incredibly succesful and unrivalled in its lethality. In this case the USA gets a big return on its investment.

However programs such as the F-35, the M-2 Bradley and so on are shinning examples of how the MIC just runs riot.
It is successful but completely unnecessary after the collapse of the Soviet union. And it is apparently very expensive to operate and at $2bn apiece a total waste of money. Plus it apparently gobbled up like $23bn in black development
 
A perfectly Trump anecdote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/26/magazine/how-long-can-john-kelly-hang-on.html

Attendees were handed a document labeled “MUST HAVE’S,” outlining the administration’s demands.

...

“What’s this?” Trump asked, according to three people present, eyeballing the list of what were ostensibly his own policy directives. He suggested the papers were unhelpful and could be disregarded. Lawmakers left the meeting unsure if the president knew his own administration’s position, or if he was even responsible for it.
 
Georgia lieutenant governor threatens Delta after it cuts ties with NRA

Georgia Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle (R) said Monday he would block any tax legislation that benefits Delta Airlines after the company ended its discount program for National Rifle Association (NRA) members.

“I will kill any tax legislation that benefits @Delta unless the company changes its position and fully reinstates its relationship with @NRA. Corporations cannot attack conservatives and expect us not to fight back,” Cagle tweeted.

Giant snowflake threatens to abuse his power to attack a private company for the "attack on conservatives" that consists of charging NRA members... the same as everyone else.

Or, put differently:

https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/968248662684991494

“I’m abusing my power to demand that this private company provide discounts to my political allies. If the company fails to do so, I vow to cease abusing my power by giving it preferential tax treatment.”
 
The collusion is ongoing...

NSA chief: Trump 'has not ordered disruption of Russia election meddling'

A top national security official told lawmakers on Tuesday he had not been directed by Donald Trump to disrupt Russian efforts to meddle in US elections, and that Vladimir Putin had come to the conclusion there was “little price to pay” for such actions.

Adm Mike Rogers, director of the National Security Agency and chief of US Cyber Command, told the Senate armed services committee: “Clearly, what we’ve done hasn’t been enough.”

Asked if he had been granted the authority by Trump to counter Russian cyber-attacks at source, Rogers said: “No, I have not.”

He added: “I need a policy decision that indicates there is specific direction to do that. The president ultimately would make this decision in accordance with a recommendation from the secretary of defense.”
 
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