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Former President Obama Criticizes Leftist Shutdown Culture
Democracy demands that we're able also to get inside the reality of people who are different than us so we can understand their point of view. Maybe we can change their minds, maybe they'll change ours. You can't do this if you just out of hand disregard what your opponent has to say from the start. And you can't do it if you insist that those who aren't like you because they are white or they are male, somehow there is no way they can understand what I'm feeling, that somehow they lack standing to speak on certain matters.

https://reason.com/blog/2018/07/17/obama-nelson-mandela-lecture

Well Obama is officially a white supremacist now. :p
 
Should Russia be able to question Americans? Really?

Hell No.

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You avoided the qeustion. This goes both ways both Russia and the US are sovereign states. What's good for one is good for the other. Should the US be able to qeustion Russians? I suspect your answer is also, Hell No. Or else I would like you to explain how you justify the hypocrisy.
 
You avoided the qeustion. This goes both ways both Russia and the US are sovereign states. What's good for one is good for the other. Should the US be able to qeustion Russians? I suspect your answer is also, Hell No. Or else I would like you to explain how you justify the hypocrisy.

The US are never going to question the twelve Russian intel officers because Vlad will *never* extradite them. They'll be tried and convicted in absentia... Mueller and co know this, I know this, we all know this but worse, you know this too. If you need my "Hell no", there, you have it... Issue the red notices (that Russia will ignore), but if the twelve travel, let the chips fall where they may.

That said, let me help you along what should be the real bad-news Russian trial for tre45on and gang ...

Mariia Butina

Mueller's investigation is, by necessity, secretive. No leaks. No prime time. Nothing. Nothing, right until the earthquake hits... But...

Mariia Butina will be tried in an open court and folk will be able to tune in to watch as prosecutors lay out Russian money and influence in a US election...
It's made for TV. A pretty redhead, sex, money, Russians, the NRA and Trump... Day to day, folk will watch and day to day collusion and obstruction will stop being concepts and become real crimes against the US. Day to day, tre45on will seem less MAGA and more Benedict Arnold... The twelve Russian intel officers..? Meh. On Monday they became page five news. Women like Mariia and Stormy will be the end of Trump.

Poetic really.
 
and in the, american intelligence, corner,

"we are not spying on you"

then snowden happens.

"..er, we are doing it for you protection" "look!! russians!!"

lol wtf ever

details of foreign lobbying from the podesta group that assisted previous american governments/presidents seem to be very quiet, conveniently fizzling away with all the noise about ye ol' trumperton

dont understand how someone just believes anything these people say. arguing as if they are correct, as if nothing happened.
 
The US are never going to question the twelve Russian intel officers because Vlad will *never* extradite them. They'll be tried and convicted in absentia... Mueller and co know this, I know this, we all know this but worse, you know this too. If you need my "Hell no", there, you have it... Issue the red notices (that Russia will ignore), but if the twelve travel, let the chips fall where they may.

That said, let me help you along what should be the real bad-news Russian trial for tre45on and gang ...

Mariia Butina

Mueller's investigation is, by necessity, secretive. No leaks. No prime time. Nothing. Nothing, right until the earthquake hits... But...

Mariia Butina will be tried in an open court and folk will be able to tune in to watch as prosecutors lay out Russian money and influence in a US election...
It's made for TV. A pretty redhead, sex, money, Russians, the NRA and Trump... Day to day, folk will watch and day to day collusion and obstruction will stop being concepts and become real crimes against the US. Day to day, tre45on will seem less MAGA and more Benedict Arnold... The twelve Russian intel officers..? Meh. On Monday they became page five news. Women like Mariia and Stormy will be the end of Trump.

Poetic really.
And nothing will come of it. Because it is normal and everyone does it. What do you expect will happen?
 
What's with liberals and beheading Trump...

Portland Art Gallery Displays Poster With Donald Trump's Throat Slashed

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and...

Occupy ICE protesters in Portland, Oregon, rolled out a makeshift guillotine and beheaded a piñata of President Donald Trump Tuesday.Several people yelled, “Off with his head!” while the Trump piñata was placed under the knife by some protesters wearing scarves on their necks and covering their mouths. A sign in front of the guillotine read, “Brick by brick, wall by wall, we will make the borders fall.”

As the piñata was sliced, candy fell out and people screamed with joy. One protester threw the president’s head toward the crowd, according to video footage posted by Abolish I.C.E PDX.A protester retrieved Trump’s head from the crowd and placed it under the guillotine for a second time as another person said, “That’s perfect.”

http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/18/occupy-ice-portland-trump-pinata/
 
And nothing will come of it. Because it is normal and everyone does it. What do you expect will happen?

I expect y'all will whatabout for Trump 'till that becomes utterly laughable, then you'll whatabout for the next idiot that comes along.
 
It is cultural appropriation.

Shameful :p

Does seem to be a bit of a theme there. A painting by the 'postmodernist' artist Obama selected for his official presidential portrait

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With a weird inexplicable racial twist. I guess Judith was probably black, but Holofernes as a white woman? Eh, whatever.

Its not inexplicable:

But one already stands out: a tall, elegant black woman in a long blue dress—the canvas is enormous, eight feet by ten feet—calmly staring down the viewer. In one hand, she holds a knife. In the other, a cleanly severed brunette female head. “It’s sort of a play on the ‘kill whitey’ thing,” Wiley says.

https://nymag.com/arts/art/rules/kehinde-wiley-2012-4/

Kill Whitey study:

Participants received one of two scenarios involving an individual who has to decide whether or not to throw a large man in the path of a trolley (described as large enough that he would stop the progress of the trolley) in order to prevent the trolley from killing 100 innocent individuals trapped in a bus.

Half of the participants received a version of the scenario where the agent could choose to sacrifice an individual named “Tyrone Payton” to save 100 members of the New York Philharmonic, and the other half received a version where the agent could choose to sacrifice “Chip Ellsworth III” to save 100 members of the Harlem Jazz Orchestra. In both scenarios the individual decides to throw the person onto the trolley tracks.

While we did not provide specific information about the race of the individuals in the scenario, we reasoned that Chip and Tyrone were stereotypically associated with White American and Black American individuals respectively, and that the New York Philharmonic would be assumed to be majority White, and the Harlem Jazz Orchestra would be assumed to be majority Black.


So the guy on the bridge kills either Tyrone to save the New York Philharmonic or Chip to save the Harlem Jazz Orchestra. How, Pizarro asked the students, did they feel about that? Was sacrificing Chip/Tyrone to save the Jazz Orchestra/Philharmonic justified? Was it moral? Was it sometimes necessary to allow the death of one innocent to save others? Should we ever violate core principles, regardless of outcome? Is it sometimes “necessary” to allow the death of a few to promote a greater good?

Turned out the racial identities did indeed color peoples’ judgments — but it colored them differently depending on their political bent. Pizarro, who describes himself as a person who “would probably be graded a liberal on tests,” roughly expected that liberals would be more consistent. Yet liberals proved just as prejudiced here as conservatives were, but in reverse: While self-described conservatives more readily accepted the sacrifice of Tyrone than they did killing Chip, the liberals were easier about seeing Chip sacrificed than Tyrone.

But this was just college students. Perhaps they were morally mushier than most people. So the team went further afield. As Pizarro describes in the talk:

We wanted to find a sample of more sort of, you know, real people. So we went in Orange County out to a mall and we got people who are actually Republicans and actually Democrats, not wishy-washy college students. The effect just got stronger. (This time it was using a “lifeboat” dilemma where one person has to be thrown off the edge of a lifeboat in order to save everybody, again using the names “Tyrone Payton” or “Chip Ellsworth III”.) We replicated the finding, but this time it was even stronger.

If you’re wondering whether this is just because conservatives are racist—well, it may well be that conservatives are more racist. But it appears in these studies that the effect is driven [primarily] by liberals saying that they’re more likely to agree with pushing the white man and [more likely to] disagree with pushing the black man.

So we used to refer to this as the “kill whitey” study.
 
It is cultural appropriation.
Shameful :p

It's only fair if you spend billions (trillions even) to support and perpetuate the head chopping culture in the middle east. Surely by now the US have earned, nay bought, the right to appropriate some of that culture ...
 
So in another words the artist knew by switching the races there would be more outrage, just as if someone switched the roles in the opposite direction. Looks like Alan has fallen for it too :crylaugh:
 
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