US politics general thread

[cerebus]

46year low... now its up, you're right, Trumps fault so many are suddenly trying to get in... He must be doing something very effective that so many see US as their beacon of hope and opportunity for a better life again

On a serious note... they do need to like x6 there current processing teams to get ahead of the sudden influx of kids. Its just going to get higher and higher over the next year few years(to a point they'll run out of fosters?)... but they aren't sending em packing, they're just kids, yes it can take 2 months, but they have a full stomach, clothes on their backs and a warm place to rest their heads, the alternative an empty stomach sleeping in the gutter or under a bush. Must have quite a kak life and some serious balls for an 8y/o to say f this, and trek 100's of kms solo to cross the border.

Are you ever going to make a cogent argument with research or are you just going to continue spouting off any old kak that pops into your head?

 

[Temujin]

Are you ever going to make a cogent argument with research or are you just going to continue spouting off any old kak that pops into your head?

Whats your problem?
The majority of these kids (13k) are parentless, gaurdianless border crossers. Under obama, the exact same thing happened to them as is happening now. So, as said in earlier post, take the 400 that were affected by the policy change and give em back to parents. That still leaves you with 12.5k than need to be processed.
What is your libtard plan for them other than what is currently being done for them, ie feeding, clothing and housing them?

 

[cerebus]

Whats your problem?

My problem is you post opinionated drivel and then expect a proper response.

 

[Temujin]

My problem is you post opinionated drivel and then expect a proper response.

Thats your opinion

 

[cerebus]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/20/us/politics/michael-cohen-mueller-interviews.html

Michael Cohen Has Spoken Repeatedly With Mueller’s Prosecutors


WASHINGTON — Michael D. Cohen, President Trump’s former personal lawyer, has been interviewed repeatedly in the past month by prosecutors in the special counsel investigation into whether the Trump campaign conspired with Russian operatives, according to two people with knowledge of the sessions.

The interviews, first reported by ABC News, are a further indication of the progress by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, in gathering firsthand accounts from some of the president’s closest advisers both before he ran for president and during the campaign. Last week, Paul Manafort, the president’s former campaign chairman, agreed to cooperatewith Mr. Mueller’s inquiry as part of a plea agreement to reduce criminal charges stemming from his political consulting work in Ukraine.

 

[greg0205]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/20/us/politics/michael-cohen-mueller-interviews.html

Michael Cohen Has Spoken Repeatedly With Mueller’s Prosecutors


WASHINGTON — Michael D. Cohen, President Trump’s former personal lawyer, has been interviewed repeatedly in the past month by prosecutors in the special counsel investigation into whether the Trump campaign conspired with Russian operatives, according to two people with knowledge of the sessions.

The interviews, first reported by ABC News, are a further indication of the progress by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, in gathering firsthand accounts from some of the president’s closest advisers both before he ran for president and during the campaign. Last week, Paul Manafort, the president’s former campaign chairman, agreed to cooperatewith Mr. Mueller’s inquiry as part of a plea agreement to reduce criminal charges stemming from his political consulting work in Ukraine.

You know, 45 should probably thank his lucky stars that Michael isn’t *also* talking to the NY AG about business dealings at the Trump Org going back decades. I... oh, wait... nevermind.

 

[cerebus]

Considering the almost 13k kids being housed, only 400 are seperated from parents... the rest(12k+) are all parentless solo border jumpers(5k of which came over in august)...

Okay so just to tackle the points here...

The 400 separated children currently being housed are the remainder of the few thousand who were ordered to be returned to their parents or other carekeepers by a Federal court. The last 400 undischarged children are cases where they don't know where the parents are, because they either deported them already or through some other mishap.

• 304 have adults who are currently outside the U.S.
• 199 belong to parents who “indicated desire against reunification.” It should be noted that the ACLU has challenged this supposed “desire” in court, filing personal court documents that say some parents may have been coerced by immigration officials to waive their reunification rights.
• 31 adults had a “red flag” in their background checks
• 9 adults are in federal, state or local custody
• 3 adults had a “red flag,” concerning safety and well-being

For the other 12,500 kids - the reason the numbers have gotten as high as they currently are isn't because of a sudden influx of children entering the country - it's because the length of detention has ramped up considerably under the new immigrant laws. In the previous year there were under 3,000 children being held in detention centers. There is no sudden upsurge in illegal entries that you're claiming.

http://fortune.com/2018/09/12/record-number-immigrant-children-in-detention/

The rapid growth in numbers since summer—and the massive increase since May 2017—also may relate to delays in vetting family members or sponsors to whom the children could be released. Since June, the government has put new policies in place requiring fingerprinting for family members and sponsors who agree to be responsible for the children when they are released. This process has increased delays and deterred those who would retrieve children, as many who would claim the children are undocumented themselves, and the government has said it will release that information to immigration authorities.

Just days ago, the Trump administration said it would change a long-standing settlement related to holding children for longer than 20 days in detention by restructuring its facilities to hold entire families for unlimited periods. The policy is likely to face challenges in court.

The number of unaccompanied minors entering the U.S. without documentation has remained about the same, according to data provided to the Times, representing a significant failure in the government’s effort to dissuade immigration without authorization.

the decision is to house, feed and cloth em, which somehow, libtards see as a 'bad thing'.... (which had this been a libtard doing it, would be praised for their selfless humanitarian good will and all that fluff).

BS, BS, BS. The 'decision' is to hold them indefinitely.

 

[rietrot]

Illegal border crossings were at a 46 year low, and now it's a 'crisis'? Seems what Trump's doing is terribly uneffective, whoda thunk it.

Nobody likes Trump but they all still want to live in Trump's America, because it's better then their own shîtholes. Guess why that is definitely nothing to do with the people and their culture.

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

Nobody likes Trump but they all still want to live in Trump's America, because it's better then their own shîtholes. Guess why that is definitely nothing to do with the people and their culture.

That is not "Trump's America".

Trump is an aberration and a terrible mistake by the people of the US, who to give them credit are starting to realise it.

 

[Nick333]

That is not "Trump's America".

Trump is an aberration and a terrible mistake by the people of the US, who to give them credit are starting to realise it.

Really? What's the downside of being an American in Trumps America? Economic growth at record levels and unemployment way down from recent years. Even if Trump is a clueless idiot, why should Americans care? How have they been harmed by his presidency, and how does it outweigh the fact that they are better off than before he was president? "OMG, he's just so embarrassing!".

 

[rietrot]

That is not "Trump's America".

Trump is an aberration and a terrible mistake by the people of the US, who to give them credit are starting to realise it.

Lol. You live in your only fantasy world. Get out of your own eco-chamber.

 

[Gnarls]

My problem is you post opinionated drivel and then expect a proper response.

Hello Mr. Pot. Please meet Mr. Kettle....

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

Really? What's the downside of being an American in Trumps America? Economic growth at record levels and unemployment way down from recent years. Even if Trump is a clueless idiot, why should Americans care? How have they been harmed by his presidency, and how does it outweigh the fact that they are better off than before he was president? "OMG, he's just so embarrassing!".

I said nothing about downsides and upsides.
I merely noted that the country does not belong to Trump and moreover that the people - whose country it is - are starting to realise that they elected a moron by mistake.
I think you underestimate the amount of foolish pride people take in their country and how its leaders are received.

 

[Nick333]

I said nothing about downsides and upsides.
I merely noted that the country does not belong to Trump and moreover that the people - whose country it is - are starting to realise that they elected a moron by mistake.
I think you underestimate the amount of foolish pride people take in their country and how its leaders are received.

And I think you overestimate how much Americans care about how their president is received. I think it's probably because you get your news and perceptions from the MSM which obviously doesn't represent the average American considering that Trump is president in the first place. They care about whether they are employed and whether they have a bit of money in their pockets like everyone else.

Anyway, let's talk about this after the primaries. I was right about Trump winning last time against much derision. I'm not as confident of a second term yet, but I'm clearly much better at reading the mood of Americans than the most of you. At this stage I'm willing to make a small bet that Trump is maintaining his support base and making inroads into the dem support base. I'd make a tentative prediction that he has a good chance at winning the popular vote for his second term.

Oh, and since I'm making a rare appearance in this thread: what good did Obama being smart, charming and diplomatic do for America? What did he achieve that made average Americans lives better? Being loud, brash and simple, seems to be working if you're Joe or Joan Soap of the USA.

US policy of recent decades has been about doing the "right" thing for your neighbour and the downtrodden (read one sided trade deals and sub prime loans), which is all well and good when you've got a full pantry. The problem is when you're doing more for others than yourself, your pantry starts to get empty. This is the narrative Trump is pushing and people have seen results. I think the American memory is long enough to remember that until at least the next elections.

I really think the left needs to catch a wake up and stop expecting people to do what they ( the left ) think is the right thing. The American people will do what's right for themselves and at the moment that is Trump.

 

[Cray]

And I think you overestimate how much Americans care about how their president is received. I think it's probably because you get your news and perceptions from the MSM which obviously doesn't represent the average American considering that Trump is president in the first place.

If you lose the popular vote you don't get to claim you represent the average American.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

If you lose the popular vote you don't get to claim you represent the average American.

The electoral college system is designed precisely to prevent the entire nation from suffering from mental delusions that rage in specific states e.g. just because California has lots of people and California is infested with SJW's does not mean the average American is.

So actually yes, the election outcome is more representative of the average American than a popular vote would be, and we all know who won.

 

[Cray]

The electoral college system is designed precisely to prevent the entire nation from suffering from mental delusions that rage in specific states e.g. just because California has lots of people and California is infested with SJW's does not mean the average American is.
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So because a highly populace state represents attitudes you don't like you are going to reinvent what the word average means?

 

[rietrot]

If you lose the popular vote you don't get to claim you represent the average American.

Yes you do because of how the American system works. Please stop with this BS popular vote nonsense. That's irrelevant, and if it was relevant Trump would have done more in big cities. The competition wasn't to win the popular vote.
And if you know anything you would understand why the electoral college is more relevant and more representative.

 

[Nick333]

If you lose the popular vote you don't get to claim you represent the average American.

Well, winning the popular vote doesn't give you that privilege either. It just means that nominally more than 50% of the 60% or so of voting age Americans voted for you, but fair enough. Winning the presidency does mean that something approaching the average American supports you. Trump will be going into the next election with proven economic results and my point is that the average American WILL choose that over diplomacy and altruism. In fact I doubt many Hilary voters voted against Trump because of their concern for diplomatic relations and the poor. They voted out of concern for themselves and their own circumstances. The average US voter is not a SJW, antifa or feminist.

The more I think about it, the more I become convinced that unless Trump is impeached or there is an economic downturn Trump will go into the next elections as the favourite.

 

[cerebus]

At this stage I'm willing to make a small bet that Trump is maintaining his support base and making inroads into the dem support base.

Do polls mean anything to you? I will guess not but here they are:

Most recent weekly average 38 Sep 10-16, 2018
Term average to date 39 Jan 20, 2017-present

That is really dismally bad. By comparison:

Other elected presidents in September of second year

Barack Obama 45 Sep 2010
George W. Bush 67 Sep 2002

The idea that he's making inroads into the Democratic base is laughable.

Trump was polling below Clinton in 2016, and in fact he did lose the popular vote by a significant margin.

I'd make a tentative prediction that he has a good chance at winning the popular vote for his second term.

He lost the popular vote by 3 million in 2016. His chances of winning the popular vote in 2020 are nil. There is a chance of him winning the electoral college again, but bearing in mind that the margin in 2016 was around 80,000 votes, he has no breathing room at all.