Useless DEVS in General

Polemus said:
So just to set things straight.

My wife has told the institution that she volenteers at, that they should get a tech out to downgrade to IE 10.

I am not pissed off at any company in particular, be it government or private, i am pissed off about poor quality of work.

Any self respecting developer / programmer would be able to support at least more than one browser.

If you have something to say regarding the topic of sofware quality, then great, if you are trolling and trying to find hidden messages, then go troll somewhere else.
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But you seem to be glossing over the fact that it is not necessarily the Devs fault only.

You claim to be a "Technical Solutions Architect" - if a decision you make is to target 1 browser (for whatever reason) and that browser alone would you be ok with a dev working on the solution disregarding your plan and doing his/her own thing?
 
Necropolis said:
But you seem to be glossing over the fact that it is not necessarily the Devs fault only.

You claim to be a "Technical Solutions Architect" - if a decision you make is to target 1 browser (for whatever reason) and that browser alone would you be ok with a dev working on the solution disregarding your plan and doing his/her own thing?
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I do not know of a person that will enforce that rule.
 
Polemus said:
I do not know of a person that will enforce that rule.
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The point is not the browser choice - it could be any rule - the point is that devs (especially in big companies with big dev departments) don't have the freedom to choose how or why they want to implement something.

They are, usually, told that they will do x and they will do it in a such a way and to conform to such and such a standard.
 
Necropolis said:
The point is not the browser choice - it could be any rule - the point is that devs (especially in big companies with big dev departments) don't have the freedom to choose how or why they want to implement something.

They are, usually, told that they will do x and they will do it in a such a way and to conform to such and such a standard.
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Necropolis

This is not how it work. Yes, there is guidelines set, there are margins that one has to work within. But if your application is "User Facing" then you always try to make it accessible as possible.

If anyone enforces a rule that makes your application less accessible, then my point is made.
 
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Polemus said:
Necropolis

This is not how it work. Yes, there is guidelines set, there are margins that one has to work within. But if your application is "User Facing" then you always try to make it accessible as possible.

If anyone enforces a rule that makes your application less accessible, then my point is made.
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No your point is not made - your point is that it is the devs that are at fault - I'm relatively certain that the devs at Deloitte don't get to make these types of decisions.
 
Polemus said:
Necropolis

This is not how it work. Yes, there is guidelines set, there are margins that one has to work within. But if your application is "User Facing" then you always try to make it accessible as possible.

If anyone enforces a rule that makes your application less accessible, then my point is made.
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If it was initially only inhouse then using just one browser (the default for the company) makes sense. Devs are often paid for the task so even if the dev would love to make the app work on others he simply cant spend time on that functionality as he won't be paid.
 
herbertk said:
If it was initially only inhouse then using just one browser (the default for the company) makes sense. Devs are often paid for the task so even if the dev would love to make the app work on others he simply cant spend time on that functionality as he won't be paid.
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It would explain the end result, but it would not make sense though.
 
Necropolis said:
No your point is not made - your point is that it is the devs that are at fault - I'm relatively certain that the devs at Deloitte don't get to make these types of decisions.
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Agreed, devs will say I need 100 hours to make it work on just IE and 500 for all browsers... or something like that the client decides the spec not the dev.
 
Polemus said:
No Way !!! - You do not quote on browsers, you quote on functionality.
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And part of the functionality includes browsers, look I agree it sounds like a crappy app. But the the dev as in the dude writing the code will just code what he is told to.

This does smell like it could be a fathers brothers nephew who got a million bucks to develop a ****ty product from coding he learnt at school. But I am not sure if that would include Deloittes
 
herbertk said:
And part of the functionality includes browsers, look I agree it sounds like a crappy app. But the the dev as in the dude writing the code will just code what he is told to.

This does smell like it could be a fathers brothers nephew who got a million bucks to develop a ****ty product from coding he learnt at school. But I am not sure if that would include ****
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I rate this thread would have had more meaning, and people would have stuck to the topic, if i did not mention the Developers's name.

For the sake of the thread, I wish I had not mentioned the DEV's name.
For the sake of the community, I am glad I did
 
Polemus said:
I rate this thread would have had more meaning, and people would have stuck to the topic, if i did not mention the Developers's name.

For the sake of the thread, I wish I had not mentioned the DEV's name.
For the sake of the community, I am glad I did
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It does play a role here though, if it was a lone developer that got some tender then yes it was a situation of ****ty coding. But in this case it being a established company I doubt the dev had much say.
 
Whether you're working for a big company or as an independent contractor you do what the client requests. And yes they will certainly do things like demand specifics whether it's a particular, and ancient, version of .NET or specific browser and version. You can tell them as much as you like that for only 10% more you can make it work in every browser and they'll turn you down. They won't even pay for the time it takes to create decent documentation for future maintainers. Invariably they want a nine month project done in six months, so you just slap the thing together as quickly as possible, as best you can in the time you have.
 
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