V&A Waterfront Vision

Sackboy said:
What's your opinion?
You like the pepperpots or the concrete bunkers at Camps Bay?
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Yes, those are ugly, but if you are calling the blight that is the Green Point 'common' area a green lung then you must never have been there.

That place is not considered beautiful by anyone. I was there two days ago. It is an eyesore as it is and it is about time something is done about it.

Just so I know, where are these bunkers exactly?
 
HenryJ said:
Yes, those are ugly, but if you are calling the blight that is the Green Point 'common' area a green lung then you must never have been there.

That place is not considered beautiful by anyone. I was there two days ago. It is an eyesore as it is and it is about time something is done about it.

Just so I know, where are these bunkers exactly?
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Can't say exactly.
Do you think Rondebosch common is pretty or ground zero for a carpark?
If you look at attractive cities around the world, they keep open spaces and green. Some would give their eye-teeth to have more.
 
Sackboy said:
Can't say exactly.
Do you think Rondebosch common is pretty or ground zero for a carpark?
If you look at attractive cities around the world, they keep open spaces and green. Some would give their eye-teeth to have more.
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I am not that familiar with Rondebosch common so I can't really comment...

I agree that cities need more green spaces and the ones they have should be upkept rather than replaced with car parks, however, this was simply not happening in Green Point, so the development can only rejuvinate the area.
 
I haven't been to the Cape for a while but I think a setup like New York's Central Park would look awesome in CT. A flourishing metropolis with lots of new upcoming skyscrapers with a giant park in the middle of it and Table Mountain as the backdrop.

That would rock..
 
My favourite is "the stadium will remove our valuable public space".

The stadium IS a public space, with draw thousands and thousands of people to the urban park and stadium. For the first time in decades the common will become a pleasant space.

I also love that there is such an issue with a world class well designed facility but the old, rusty, "safety hazard" and dying old Green Point stadium with those awful lighting towers seemed just fine for everyone.


Its design is world class, elegant and sensitive to the location.
Translucent facade, light airy roof with the tiers creating a flowing effect to match the surrounding hills.

The stadium is keeping open space and improving it. The podium around it is open for the public with grand staircases. In fact more of the common will now be accessible, clean, decent and welcoming for the public and that includes the new stadium.

Rondebosch Common is a different story. Its not an existing recreation area with sports clubs on it(although it used to be). Its a large open space for running and thats about it.

Absolutely rubbish that the stadium is somehow being compared to a parking lot.
I suggest you visit the presentations at the Green Point Stadium visitor centre to understand the level of thinking and detail that has gone into the stadium.
 
its just horrible!

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Exactly. It looks great to me! Just what that area needed.

The old Green Point stadium may as well have been a parking lot, it was that ugly. The same go for the various fields around the stadium, and the 'common' or whatever you want to call it.
 
capetownguy said:
My favourite is "the stadium will remove our valuable public space".

The stadium IS a public space, with draw thousands and thousands of people to the urban park and stadium. For the first time in decades the common will become a pleasant space.

I also love that there is such an issue with a world class well designed facility but the old, rusty, "safety hazard" and dying old Green Point stadium with those awful lighting towers seemed just fine for everyone.


Its design is world class, elegant and sensitive to the location.
Translucent facade, light airy roof with the tiers creating a flowing effect to match the surrounding hills.

The stadium is keeping open space and improving it. The podium around it is open for the public with grand staircases. In fact more of the common will now be accessible, clean, decent and welcoming for the public and that includes the new stadium.

Rondebosch Common is a different story. Its not an existing recreation area with sports clubs on it(although it used to be). Its a large open space for running and thats about it.

Absolutely rubbish that the stadium is somehow being compared to a parking lot.
I suggest you visit the presentations at the Green Point Stadium visitor centre to understand the level of thinking and detail that has gone into the stadium.
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Can I wander into the stadium when I feel like it?
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It used to be a common, publically owned open space, just like in Rondebosch, until some bright sparks decided it would look better as a toilet bowl which will be flushed with people for about 2 weeks next year and then consigned to the elephant graveyard.

This reminds me of a public library, which also had a little park next to it and spaces for cars. The council refused to maintain it and it became a haven for bergies, window washers and carguards. The police would drive slowly by without doing anything.

The library wasn't too bad, if under-resourced, but another sparky fellow came up with a plan. They moved it to a less accessible location, with a PAY carpark, so now the old people with 2 cent pensions don't go any more. They didn't spend a cent on the books or anything in the library either.

With such 'high level' thinking going on, this City is definitely vulnerable to slumlord thinking and concrete for brains developers.
 
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What do you mean can you wander into the stadium? COuld you do that with the old stadium that was there? I don't get what you mean. It was never 'public space', it was a stadium for heaven's sake.
 
capetownguy said:
My favourite is "the stadium will remove our valuable public space".

The stadium IS a public space, with draw thousands and thousands of people to the urban park and stadium. For the first time in decades the common will become a pleasant space.
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I will be a haven for bergies.
 
HenryJ said:
What do you mean can you wander into the stadium? COuld you do that with the old stadium that was there? I don't get what you mean. It was never 'public space', it was a stadium for heaven's sake.
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It says so here "The stadium IS a public space,".
Read the earlier post.
 
Sackboy said:
Exactly. They took the freely accessible common and made it private.
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You couldnt walk in and out of the previous stadium either. You really don't seem to be grasping this.
 
They're improving the area so much. I don't see what the issue is. Gone is the ugly old stadium and in is a beautiful world-class one that is sensitive to the environment. Stade de France will be operating the stadium, so no, it's not going to become a white elephant.

How someone can complain about the traffic circle being raised (allowing pedestrians easier access to the area) and stores being built under it, or the upgrading of the facilities around the stadium, not to mention the general development of the area as a whole that I would try to avoid in the past is beyond me. It's an amazing improvement.
 
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bwana said:
You couldnt walk in and out of the previous stadium either. You really don't seem to be grasping this.
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Exactly. They didn't make the common into a stadium, they knocked down the old hideous stadium and put a new one in its place.

Anyway, it's all going to look awesome :)
 
bwana said:
You couldnt walk in and out of the previous stadium either. You really don't seem to be grasping this.
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Did I say that?
There was a common. Do you know what a common is, and where it is now??

There was also a whole golf course, which was halved. Capetownguy needs to show us a 'before' picture, so we can see what they did.

They didn't just magically transform one stadium into another.

As far as stadium usage is concerned. Can someone tell us what it will be used for after 2010 and whether it will pay for it's own upkeep with full crowds etc.?
 
Sackboy said:
Did I say that?
There was a common. Do you know what a common is, and where it is now??

There was also a whole golf course, which was halved. Capetownguy needs to show us a 'before' picture, so we can see what they did.

They didn't just magically transform one stadium into another.

As far as stadium usage is concerned. Can someone tell us what it will be used for after 2010 and whether it will pay for it's own upkeep with full crowds etc.?
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As I said before Stade de France, a highly successful stadium operator will manage the venue pre and post 2010 and will be responsible to events. They have paid over R100 million to lease the venue for about 10 years.

They manage 5 stadia across the world successfully. One of their successes, the 80,000 seat Stade de France, which has hosted rugby world cup and football world cup matches, including the IAAF world champs in 2003.

They will manage the stadium and urban park, ensuring its maintained and appropriate for their events and business plan.

They have formed a consortium with SAIL, the largest sports management company in South Africa with large stakes in rugby unions including the Blue Bulls and WP Rugby.

"freely accessible common" hahahaah

I really wonder sometimes which world people live in.
Our green lung green point common, where people love to take walks!

The old stadium was a safety hazard that the city was too scared to have people walk around.

The new stadium is significantly more accessible. A pedestrian boulevard from the waterfront. New pedestrian underpass from the circle. Grand stair cases on three sides.

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