Vaal Dam levels

Sinbad said:
1991 36 million
2017 about 55m

So not quite doubled. Still a serious increase with zero new dams...
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That is just simply not true, SA has build a damm almost every 2 years since 94, also the highlands water project will continue and not be completed in our life times, I did some work on the newly built metalong dam in Lesotho.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dams_in_South_Africa

The problem in South Africa has always been rainfall, the only province with a net water supply is the eastern cape, hence we need to get water from other countries like Lesotho. This is also one reason why Africa in general did not develop as fast as Europe or the USA, because there simply isnt enough water.
In Europe you are practically living next to rivers and streams, the same goes for the USA. SA doesnt have that luxury as time goes on our infrastructure will become even more expense as dams will have to be build in futher away locations.
 
Nicodeamus said:
That is just simply not true, SA has build a damm almost every 2 years since 94, also the highlands water project will continue and not be completed in our life times, I did some work on the newly built metalong dam in Lesotho.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dams_in_South_Africa

The problem in South Africa has always been rainfall, the only province with a net water supply is the eastern cape, hence we need to get water from other countries like Lesotho. This is also one reason why Africa in general did not develop as fast as Europe or the USA, because there simply isnt enough water.
In Europe you are practically living next to rivers and streams, the same goes for the USA. SA doesnt have that luxury as time goes on our infrastructure will become even more expense as dams will have to be build in futher away locations.
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Name them and add the water capacity to see the total. Dams below 100.000ML are pretty much irrelevant. Lesotho Highlands Water Project is a start. Here is some wikipedia background info on it so that you can see who's idea was and who started it.
"Efforts to create a dam in the location were spearheaded by then British High Commissioner Sir Evelyn Baring in the 1950s. After a complete feasibility study was conducted between August 1983 and August 1986 (German-British Lahmeyer MacDonald Consortium was appointed for this task), the project eventually began to realize."
You say since '94 every two years a big dam has been build in SA. I want to believe you but were are all this dams? (2017-1994)/2=??? <--- You put the answer in here.
In general, the US is not much more humid than SA! Sub-Saharan Africa is NOT such a dry place as you think! The Congo basin is huge and is one of the wettest places on Earth! According to your theory, Australia should be at the bottom of the development list. Please, don't blame the ineptitude of your government on the rain. Give me hard evidence otherwise I won't believe you.
 
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17 "major" dams built (completed) between 1994 and 2014 (20 years):
De Hoop Dam (2014)
Bedford Dam (2011)
Bramhoek Dam (2011)
Vaalkop Dam (2010)
Berg River Dam (2007)
Kettingspruit Dam (2006)
Nandoni Dam (2004)
Injaka Dam (2002)
Mohale Dam (2002)
Ceres Koekedouw Dam (2001)
Bevane Dam (2000)
Driekoppies Dam (1998)
Qedusizi Dam (1998)
Kuismansrivier Dam (1997)
Katse Dam (1996)
Boschmanskop Dam (1995)
Setumo Dam (1995)

I'm going to assume all those completed in the 90's were started pre 1994, but that needs to be verified.

65 dams built between 1974 - 1994 (20 years)

So there is a sharp contrast in priority but then again maybe the dams were "needed more" back then? Also the purposes of these dams need to be put in context. The Boschmanskop Dam for instance is basically flood control and - if I understood correctly - not even owned by the state. The same goes for pre 1994 dams.
 
Nicodeamus said:
That is just simply not true, SA has build a damm almost every 2 years since 94, also the highlands water project will continue and not be completed in our life times, I did some work on the newly built metalong dam in Lesotho.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dams_in_South_Africa

The problem in South Africa has always been rainfall, the only province with a net water supply is the eastern cape, hence we need to get water from other countries like Lesotho. This is also one reason why Africa in general did not develop as fast as Europe or the USA, because there simply isnt enough water.
In Europe you are practically living next to rivers and streams, the same goes for the USA. SA doesnt have that luxury as time goes on our infrastructure will become even more expense as dams will have to be build in futher away locations.
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Highlands water project started as early as the 1950's, the pre 1994 goverment had nothing to do with it

Flood dam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setumo_Dam

Irrigation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruismansrivier_Dam

Irrigation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driekoppies_Dam

Flood dam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qedusizi_Dam

Domestic (Privately owned)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bivane_Dam

Irrigation(local government)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceres_Koekedouw_Dam

Irrigation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injaka_Dam

Domestic (Government)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nandoni_Dam

Doesn't List what it is used for (government)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettingspruit_Dam

Domestic (planning by pre 1994 government)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berg_River_Dam

Domestic(However the dam was build in 1972 renovated in 2008)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaalkop_Dam

Hydro electric dam (Eskom)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingula_Pumped_Storage_Scheme

Domestic and industrial(Largest dam since 1970's)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Hoop_Dam_(Limpopo)

Completed in 1995, Flood dam, construction started before that so pre1994 government privately owned)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boschmanskop_No_1_Dam


So if you look at the list much closer you actually see a totally different story as what you are trying to paint if the main purpose is irrigation it is put down as such, weed out privately owned, flood dams, irrigation dams. You end up with at least two dams purposely build for domestic use. Plus if you look at the capacity of the dams water it holds is really inconsequential, excluding the highlands water project as it has absolutely nothing to do with the government after 1994 as it was planned well before that.

The picture you are painting as government doing good work is fail to say the least, if you going to make bold statements, do the effort at least on the research, took all but 15 minutes to debunk your post.
 
ɹǝuuᴉM said:
Name them and add the water capacity to see the total. Dams below 100.000ML are pretty much irrelevant.
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Shoud've carried on reading wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dams_in_South_Africa

Berg River Dam: 127,000
Nandoni Dam: 166,100
Injaka Dam: 123,700
Bivane Dam: 115,200
Driekoppies Dam: 250,900
Qedusizi Dam: 133,295
Kruismansrivier Dam: 637,900
Katse Dam: 1,950,000


Interesting though:

In the 2003 State of the Nation Address, it was announced that a dam would be constructed in the Olifants River system to unlock the rich mineral deposits in the Limpopo province.

The sod turning ceremony followed in 2007 and the construction began, leading ultimately to the completion and opening of the project.
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http://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/de-hoop-dam-brings-hope-thousands

That dam was only completed in 2014 so maybe it truly is the one and only significant dam built under ANC leadership.
 
Hamster said:
Shoud've carried on reading wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dams_in_South_Africa

Berg River Dam: 127,000
Nandoni Dam: 166,100
Injaka Dam: 123,700
Bivane Dam: 115,200
Driekoppies Dam: 250,900
Qedusizi Dam: 133,295
Kruismansrivier Dam: 637,900
Katse Dam: 1,950,000
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TOTAL - 3,502,000


Interesting though:



http://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/de-hoop-dam-brings-hope-thousands

That dam was only completed in 2014 so maybe it truly is the one and only significant dam built under ANC leadership.
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Now have a look here. I am going to name but one previously build dam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterkfontein_Dam
TOTAL - 2.616.000
If you leave Katse Dam out (1,950,000) than it is even easier to see the problem! Personally, I question the ANC's relevance in Katse as it was all planed and started before the ANC era. If you ask me, the ANC have complicated things more than helped. (Bureaucracy, Corruption, AffirmativeAction etc etc)
Add to this the increased population and the resulting increase in water usage and I wonder if drought is the real culprit when it comes to water availability in SA.
 
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ɹǝuuᴉM said:
Now have a look here. I am going to name but one previously build dam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterkfontein_Dam
TOTAL - 2.616.000
If you leave Katse Dam out (1,950,000) than it is even easier to see the problem! Personally, I question the ANC's relevance in Katse as it was all planed and started before the ANC era. If you ask me, the ANC have complicated things more than helped. (Corruption, AffirmativeAction etc etc)
Add to this the increased population and resulting water usage and I wonder if drought is the real culprit when it comes to water availability in SA.
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The ANC is actually delaying phase 2 of the LHWPS. Nomvula is trying to inject cadre companies into the money chain...
 
ɹǝuuᴉM said:
Now have a look here. I am going to name but one previously build dam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterkfontein_Dam
TOTAL - 2.616.000
If you leave Katse Dam out (1,950,000) than it is even easier to see the problem! Personally, I question the ANC's relevance in Katse as it was all planed and started before the ANC era. If you ask me, the ANC have complicated things more than helped. (Bureaucracy, Corruption, AffirmativeAction etc etc)
Add to this the increased population and the resulting increase in water usage and I wonder if drought is the real culprit when it comes to water availability in SA.
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Your total calculation means nothing since a lot of smaller dams make up quite a bigger total.

But I agree with you if you read the rest of the posts. Seem like only De Hoop was planned and built by the ANC (upgrades to other dams and water schemes aside).
 
I'm surprised Spring Grove didn't rock up in the mix on Wiki.

It was completed in 2013 and is 139.5 million cubic meters...
 
Probably tricky to build large dams as the ideal sites may already have been built?
 
Joeboy69 said:
Probably tricky to build large dams as the ideal sites may already have been built?
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Yeah Apartheid gov stole all the good [-]land[/-] sites.

It's likely both - SA river system is already maxed out so not much point in building more dams. But also get the feeling that post '94 isn't exactly big on building infrastructure. Not much comes to mind really? Gautrain, stadiums and maybe Ingula I guess? Anything else?
 
HavocXphere said:
Yeah Apartheid gov stole all the good [-]land[/-] sites.

It's likely both - SA river system is already maxed out so not much point in building more dams. But also get the feeling that post '94 isn't exactly big on building infrastructure. Not much comes to mind really? Gautrain, stadiums and maybe Ingula I guess? Anything else?
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National roads have been upgraded.
Coega ....What ever happened to Coega btw?
OR Tambo was upgraded.
King Shaka Airport.

Not that these are infrastructure but:

MCS systems on the borders speeding up the processing of travelers.
SARS was modernized.

That's all I can think of.
 
Hamster said:
National roads have been upgraded.
Coega ....What ever happened to Coega btw?
OR Tambo was upgraded.
King Shaka Airport.

Not that these are infrastructure but:

MCS systems on the borders speeding up the processing of travelers.
SARS was modernized.

That's all I can think of.
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You are aware that ACSA is a private company even thought the government has shares in the company it isn't a parastal like SANRAL, I worked for them for close to 10 years, 9 nine airport is operated by them.It doesn't receive a single cent in budget funding from government in general.OR tambo upgraded the airport from their own pocket and loans.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airports_Company_South_Africa
 
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wizardofid said:
You are aware that ACSA is a private company even thought the government has shares in the company it isn't a parastal like SANRAL, I worked for them for close to 10 years, 9 nine airport is operated by them.It doesn't receive a single cent in budget funding from government in general.OR tambo upgraded the airport from their own pocket and loans.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airports_Company_South_Africa
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I do now. King Shaka as well?
 
Hamster said:
I do now. King Shaka as well?
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Then why are you implying the government had any thing to do with the upgrades, or rather simply put why aren't you doing your research properly, it's annoying as hell when people start talking about ACSA as a parastal without even the slightest idea of what they actually are.
 
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wizardofid said:
Then why are you implying the government had any thing to do with the upgrades, or rather simply put why aren't you doing your research properly, it's annoying as hell when people start talking about ACSA as a parastal without even the slightest idea of what they actually are.
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Wow...
 
wizardofid said:
Then why are you implying the government had any thing to do with the upgrades, or rather simply put why aren't you doing your research properly, it's annoying as hell when people start talking about ACSA as a parastal without even the slightest idea of what they actually are.
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Havent had your coffee yet?
 
wizardofid said:
Then why are you implying the government had any thing to do with the upgrades, or rather simply put why aren't you doing your research properly, it's annoying as hell when people start talking about ACSA as a parastal without even the slightest idea of what they actually are.
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Given the political pressure applied to ACSA for the King Shaka project, the government did have a hand in it in quite a big way.

ACSA would not have done it so soon without the pressure being applied to them.
 
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